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Jsem plzenak (odkojeny v cajovne na Roudny (teda skoro)), nejsem
cajomilec ale cajovnomaniak (caj mam rad diky existenci cajoven)
Pozor! jsem matfyzak (t.j. student matematicko-fyzikalni F. UK v
Praze), (to ma byt varovani, pry jsme nebezpecni (hlavne sami sobe))
V Praze jsem prosel jiz 20 cajoven, a jeste nejake zbyvaji. Povazuji
se za mimozemstana (neco takovyho jako ja nema na to byt clovekem,
i kdyz maloktery cl. zvladne byt tim cim sem). Mam rad pseudofilosof.
debaty, Jazz,meditacni hudbu,matematiku,cajovny,pocitace,silene napady a
bramborovy salat.Vice informaci (ne zas o tolik) viz moje [houmpejdz].
Mejte se vsichni lip a ahoj na CASETu
                                 Tomas "ebi" Ebenlendr 
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Dobry den.
Znate caj ze subjectu? Je to docela prima piti a me by zajimalo, jestli
nekdo mate predstavu o technologii vyroby. Je tam napsano, ze caj je
slisovany. Jsou to takove tenoucke skoro cerne (jinak je to zeleny caj)
jehlicky, ktere se vyznacuji tim, ze vypadaji skoro jedna jako druha.
Preliva se to vodou o teplote 60 - 70 °C a zajimave je, ze po vylouhovani ty
jehlicky zustanou temer nezmenene (nerozbali se z nich listecky nebo jejich
casti).

			Mejte se

				Jakub Serych

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> Dobry den.
> Znate caj ze subjectu? Je to docela prima piti a me by zajimalo, jestli
> nekdo mate predstavu o technologii vyroby. Je tam napsano, ze caj je
> slisovany. Jsou to takove tenoucke skoro cerne (jinak je to zeleny caj)
> jehlicky, ktere se vyznacuji tim, ze vypadaji skoro jedna jako druha.
> Preliva se to vodou o teplote 60 - 70  C a zajimave je, ze po vylouhovani ty
> jehlicky zustanou temer nezmenene (nerozbali se z nich listecky nebo jejich
> casti).

Dobry den i Vam,
tento caj znam velmi dobre, byl to totiz jeden z mych prvnich 
japonskych zelenych caju a dodnes mam na nej velmi mile vzpominky. 
Mam takovy dojem, ze se ale jmenuje kokeicha, coz je ovsem jen drobny 
detail. Dlouho dobu se mi pletl s cajem, ktery se jmenuje kukicha, 
coz je take zeleny japonsky caj, ovsem standardni listovy, takze 
nezamenovat!
Kokeicha se vyrabi z jemneho odpadoveho prachu, ktery vznika pri 
vyrobe jinych zelenych caju. Nemyslete si ovsem, ze jde o nejaky 
podradny-odpadni caj. Vyroba caje je v Japonsku na velmi vysoke 
urovni, takze umoznuje vyrabet kvalitni caj i z prasku, ktery se diky 
napr. staticke elektrine zachyti na strojich pri vyrobe jinych caju. 
Tento prasek se pak sebere a slisuje na jinych strojich do tenkych 
nudlicek, podobnych spagetam. Ty se pak narezou na vysledne 
"jehlici", ktere pijete. Udajne se pro lepsi spojeni cajoveho prachu 
do nej pridava i ryzovy skrob, ktery je bez chuti, tuto informaci 
vsak nemam overenou. Kvalita kokeichi zavisi na tom, pri vyrobe 
jakeho caje vznikl pouziti prasek. Lepsi kokeicha bude samozrejme ze 
senchi nez z banchi. 
Tot asi vse co mne napadlo z hlavy k caji kokeicha. Pekne zazitky nad 
salkem caje preje Honza Kasparek

  ________________________________
    Jan Straka Kasparek
    E-mail: kasparek@student.fsid.cvut.cz
    http://student.fsid.cvut.cz/~kasparek

    Chcete poslat sve ci cizi dite na letni tabor??
    http://nwit.pedf.cuni.cz/petrj7xm/index.htm

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myslim dokonce ze nedavno zde nekdo popisoval ze je dobre tyto jehlicky 
rozdrtit a neco jeste jsem zde vydel o slehani tohoto caje.
mohl by to ale nekdo upresnit?

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S Kokeichou  (ktoru popisuje Honza Kasparek) som mala na zaciatku velmi zlu
skusenost, pretoze sme ju pripravili ako ine zelene caje - odmerkou na
davkovanie nam je dlan ruky. No a takto sme pripravili priserne silny caj.
Ked sa vsak pripravi dobre, je to vyborny zeleny caj.
U nas v ponuke vsak je aj KOKAICHA - druh lisovaneho japonskeho zeleneho
caju s listovou strukturou, prijemne jemny. Nepila som ho, ale udajne je to
odlisne od Kokeichi.

Zuzana
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From: Jan Kasparek, cajomilec, student <kasparek@student.fsid.cvut.cz>
To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
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Subject: Re: Caj: Japan Kokaicha


> > Dobry den.
> > Znate caj ze subjectu? Je to docela prima piti a me by zajimalo, jestli
> > nekdo mate predstavu o technologii vyroby. Je tam napsano, ze caj je
> > slisovany. Jsou to takove tenoucke skoro cerne (jinak je to zeleny caj)
> > jehlicky, ktere se vyznacuji tim, ze vypadaji skoro jedna jako druha.
> > Preliva se to vodou o teplote 60 - 70  C a zajimave je, ze po
vylouhovani ty
> > jehlicky zustanou temer nezmenene (nerozbali se z nich listecky nebo
jejich
> > casti).
>
> Dobry den i Vam,
> tento caj znam velmi dobre, byl to totiz jeden z mych prvnich
> japonskych zelenych caju a dodnes mam na nej velmi mile vzpominky.
> Mam takovy dojem, ze se ale jmenuje kokeicha, coz je ovsem jen drobny
> detail. Dlouho dobu se mi pletl s cajem, ktery se jmenuje kukicha,
> coz je take zeleny japonsky caj, ovsem standardni listovy, takze
> nezamenovat!
> Kokeicha se vyrabi z jemneho odpadoveho prachu, ktery vznika pri
> vyrobe jinych zelenych caju. Nemyslete si ovsem, ze jde o nejaky
> podradny-odpadni caj. Vyroba caje je v Japonsku na velmi vysoke
> urovni, takze umoznuje vyrabet kvalitni caj i z prasku, ktery se diky
> napr. staticke elektrine zachyti na strojich pri vyrobe jinych caju.
> Tento prasek se pak sebere a slisuje na jinych strojich do tenkych
> nudlicek, podobnych spagetam. Ty se pak narezou na vysledne
> "jehlici", ktere pijete. Udajne se pro lepsi spojeni cajoveho prachu
> do nej pridava i ryzovy skrob, ktery je bez chuti, tuto informaci
> vsak nemam overenou. Kvalita kokeichi zavisi na tom, pri vyrobe
> jakeho caje vznikl pouziti prasek. Lepsi kokeicha bude samozrejme ze
> senchi nez z banchi.
> Tot asi vse co mne napadlo z hlavy k caji kokeicha. Pekne zazitky nad
> salkem caje preje Honza Kasparek
>
>   ________________________________
>     Jan Straka Kasparek
>     E-mail: kasparek@student.fsid.cvut.cz
>     http://student.fsid.cvut.cz/~kasparek
>
>     Chcete poslat sve ci cizi dite na letni tabor??
>     http://nwit.pedf.cuni.cz/petrj7xm/index.htm
>


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Vazene cajfilove

Jmenuji se .... no to by stacilo. Mam na Vas dve vazne otazky, ktere mi
jiste s bravurou vam vlastni ihned odpovite:

1. Koupil jsem si gunpowdera na jehož sacku je napsano: "Upraveno
technologii Joint Line" Nevíte někdo co to je? Že by příměs marihuany?

2. Ať dělám co dělám, občas, když vařím zelené čaje a zvlaste Gunpowder ma
prece jenom jakousi rybi prichut. Konevku nahrivam, hrnecky taky. Voda
zhruba 80 stupnu. Tak kde je chyba.

Tot zatim vse.

Vidurius On The Wing

Special greeting to Galenius



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Ja jsem se znovu doma koukal na pytlik a ten muj se skutecne jmenuje
KokAicha nikoliv KokEicha. 

			Jakub Serych

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Zuzana Bednarova [mailto:zbednar@isternet.sk]
Odesláno: 2. září 1999 20:37
Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
Předmět: Re: Caj: Japan Kokaicha


S Kokeichou  (ktoru popisuje Honza Kasparek) som mala na zaciatku velmi zlu
skusenost, pretoze sme ju pripravili ako ine zelene caje - odmerkou na
davkovanie nam je dlan ruky. No a takto sme pripravili priserne silny caj.
Ked sa vsak pripravi dobre, je to vyborny zeleny caj.
U nas v ponuke vsak je aj KOKAICHA - druh lisovaneho japonskeho zeleneho
caju s listovou strukturou, prijemne jemny. Nepila som ho, ale udajne je to
odlisne od Kokeichi.

Zuzana
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Kasparek, cajomilec, student <kasparek@student.fsid.cvut.cz>
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Sent: 2. september 1999 15:29
Subject: Re: Caj: Japan Kokaicha


> > Dobry den.
> > Znate caj ze subjectu? Je to docela prima piti a me by zajimalo, jestli
> > nekdo mate predstavu o technologii vyroby. Je tam napsano, ze caj je
> > slisovany. Jsou to takove tenoucke skoro cerne (jinak je to zeleny caj)
> > jehlicky, ktere se vyznacuji tim, ze vypadaji skoro jedna jako druha.
> > Preliva se to vodou o teplote 60 - 70  C a zajimave je, ze po
vylouhovani ty
> > jehlicky zustanou temer nezmenene (nerozbali se z nich listecky nebo
jejich
> > casti).
>
> Dobry den i Vam,
> tento caj znam velmi dobre, byl to totiz jeden z mych prvnich
> japonskych zelenych caju a dodnes mam na nej velmi mile vzpominky.
> Mam takovy dojem, ze se ale jmenuje kokeicha, coz je ovsem jen drobny
> detail. Dlouho dobu se mi pletl s cajem, ktery se jmenuje kukicha,
> coz je take zeleny japonsky caj, ovsem standardni listovy, takze
> nezamenovat!
> Kokeicha se vyrabi z jemneho odpadoveho prachu, ktery vznika pri
> vyrobe jinych zelenych caju. Nemyslete si ovsem, ze jde o nejaky
> podradny-odpadni caj. Vyroba caje je v Japonsku na velmi vysoke
> urovni, takze umoznuje vyrabet kvalitni caj i z prasku, ktery se diky
> napr. staticke elektrine zachyti na strojich pri vyrobe jinych caju.
> Tento prasek se pak sebere a slisuje na jinych strojich do tenkych
> nudlicek, podobnych spagetam. Ty se pak narezou na vysledne
> "jehlici", ktere pijete. Udajne se pro lepsi spojeni cajoveho prachu
> do nej pridava i ryzovy skrob, ktery je bez chuti, tuto informaci
> vsak nemam overenou. Kvalita kokeichi zavisi na tom, pri vyrobe
> jakeho caje vznikl pouziti prasek. Lepsi kokeicha bude samozrejme ze
> senchi nez z banchi.
> Tot asi vse co mne napadlo z hlavy k caji kokeicha. Pekne zazitky nad
> salkem caje preje Honza Kasparek
>
>   ________________________________
>     Jan Straka Kasparek
>     E-mail: kasparek@student.fsid.cvut.cz
>     http://student.fsid.cvut.cz/~kasparek
>
>     Chcete poslat sve ci cizi dite na letni tabor??
>     http://nwit.pedf.cuni.cz/petrj7xm/index.htm
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Fri Sep  3 10:00:26 1999
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Ahoj cajomilove,

jakpak je nejlepsi zabalit caj? Predpokladam, ze asi nejlepsi bude 
papirovy pytlik, co davaji v cajovnach. Lisi se ty pytliky? Jeste jsem 
si vzpomel na plechovky. Jsou vubec vhodne k uchovani caje? Jak uchovat 
caj v tom pytliku, aby nevycichnul? Je na to neco specialniho?

Peta
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petr.podrabsky@spt.cz wrote:
> jakpak je nejlepsi zabalit caj? 

Nejlepsi jsou tmave hnede sklenene nadoby (lekovky)
se zabrousenym hrdlem. Ale jsou drahe.
Umelohmotne nahrazky nebrat, smrdi.

> Predpokladam, ze asi nejlepsi bude
> papirovy pytlik, co davaji v cajovnach. 

Jestli je to ten pytlik, co si predstavuji ja, 
je dobry tak na cestu domu z cajovny plus dejme 
tomu dva dny.

> Lisi se ty pytliky? 

Urcite.

> Jeste jsem si vzpomel na plechovky. Jsou vubec 
> vhodne k uchovani caje? 

Nekdo rika, ze ne, ja mam vetsinu caje v plechovkach
a vyhovnuje mi to. ;-)

> Jak uchovat caj v tom pytliku, aby nevycichnul? 

Jednoduche.
Vzit malou tmavou sklenenou nadobu se zabrousenym 
hrdlem, nasypat caj do ni, zavrit a vlozit do 
pytliku. Jinak to asi nepujde... ;^)

P.

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Zuzana Bednarova wrote:
> 
> U nas v ponuke vsak je aj KOKAICHA - druh lisovaneho japonskeho zeleneho
> caju s listovou strukturou, prijemne jemny. Nepila som ho, ale udajne je to
> odlisne od Kokeichi.

Zajimave je, ze na Webu mi AltaVista nasla pouze deset odkazu na
slovo KOKAICHA, stridave se tam mluvi o caji rozdrcenem na prasek
a vylisovanem do tvaru dratku (coz ja znam jako KOKEICHA) a o caji
"s listovou strukturou". Z tech deseti odkazu je jeden anglicky,
PET nemecky a 4x firma Oxalis (je to jedna stranka ve ctyrech kodovanich 
cestiny). To o necem svedci, jen nevim presne o cem.

	Pavel Baxa

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>petr.podrabsky@spt.cz wrote:
>> jakpak je nejlepsi zabalit caj? 
>Nejlepsi jsou tmave hnede sklenene nadoby (lekovky)
>se zabrousenym hrdlem. Ale jsou drahe.
>Umelohmotne nahrazky nebrat, smrdi.
Doma pouzivame uvedene lekovky uz dlhsiu na nase najoblubenejsie caje a
postupne ich dokupujeme-
Nie su az take drahe, ked si clovek uvedomi, ze su prakticky na cely zivot. 
Navyse su velmi pekne.
Odporucame vrelo. Cez hrdlo sa navyse akurat zmesti cajova lyzicka.

>> Predpokladam, ze asi nejlepsi bude
>> papirovy pytlik, co davaji v cajovnach. 
>> Lisi se ty pytliky? 
Vsetky su nedosatocne, ale tie tmave celofanove su trocha lepsie ako tie
papierove, ak su dobre uzavrete.
ALe - skor ci neskor v nich caj strati vonu a "vyschne" - strati "drive".
>
>> Jeste jsem si vzpomel na plechovky. Jsou vubec 
>> vhodne k uchovani caje? 
>Nekdo rika, ze ne, ja mam vetsinu caje v plechovkach
>a vyhovnuje mi to. ;-)
Plechovky su rozne.
Vo vseobecnosti ide o zabranenie pristupu vzduchu (oxydacia) a svetla.
Kvalitne plechovky - hranate s okruhlym tesnym uzaverom dokazu konkurovat
lekovkam.
Pouzivame aj tie.



Ivan
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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Fri Sep  3 10:34:02 1999
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Nekde jsem cetl, ze idealni jsou plechovky s tim, ze dovnitr se da papirovy
pytlik a teprv do nej caj (aby nedochazelo k reakcim s kovem plechovky).

			Jakub Serych

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Ahoj cajomilove,

jakpak je nejlepsi zabalit caj? Predpokladam, ze asi nejlepsi bude 
papirovy pytlik, co davaji v cajovnach. Lisi se ty pytliky? Jeste jsem 
si vzpomel na plechovky. Jsou vubec vhodne k uchovani caje? Jak uchovat 
caj v tom pytliku, aby nevycichnul? Je na to neco specialniho?

Peta

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>... a 4x firma Oxalis (je to jedna stranka ve ctyrech kodovanich 
> cestiny). To o necem svedci, jen nevim presne o cem.

KokAichu na Slovensko exportuje firma Oxalis ...

Zuzana



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Bore da,
tak jsme se dnes sesli v celkem slusnem poctu 9 lidi v Pardubicich,
popili caj, poklabosili, rozdali cerne puntiky (vlastne jen jeden), kung
- fu priprava Zelezne bohyne zdravi byla vynikajici, snesla desitky
nalevu a vubec parada.
Uz muzeme zacit dohadovat dalsi rocnik, treba v Bedrichove nad Nisou v
neposkvrnenem prostredi. Tentokrat udelame plakaty a reklamy do televize
a rozhlasu.

No nic, zdravim vsechny, kteri pro me jiz nejsou jen neznami pisatele do
konference a pod jejichz prispevky si nyni budu moci vybavit i tvare.

*JB*


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Martin Čejka
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----- Původní zpráva -----
Od: Jan Bourek <jan.bourek@asysijd.cz>
Komu: - Cajovy Dychanek - <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Odesláno: 4. září 1999 22:47
Předmět: Caj: Pardubice nezklamaly


> Bore da,
> tak jsme se dnes sesli v celkem slusnem poctu 9 lidi v Pardubicich,
> popili caj, poklabosili, rozdali cerne puntiky (vlastne jen jeden), kung
> - fu priprava Zelezne bohyne zdravi byla vynikajici, snesla desitky
> nalevu a vubec parada.
> Uz muzeme zacit dohadovat dalsi rocnik, treba v Bedrichove nad Nisou v
> neposkvrnenem prostredi. Tentokrat udelame plakaty a reklamy do televize
> a rozhlasu.
>
> No nic, zdravim vsechny, kteri pro me jiz nejsou jen neznami pisatele do
> konference a pod jejichz prispevky si nyni budu moci vybavit i tvare.
>
> *JB*
>


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> Bore da,
> tak jsme se dnes sesli v celkem slusnem poctu 9 lidi v Pardubicich,
> popili caj, poklabosili, rozdali cerne puntiky (vlastne jen jeden), kung
> - fu priprava Zelezne bohyne zdravi byla vynikajici, snesla desitky
> nalevu a vubec parada.
> Uz muzeme zacit dohadovat dalsi rocnik, treba v Bedrichove nad Nisou v
> neposkvrnenem prostredi. Tentokrat udelame plakaty a reklamy do televize
> a rozhlasu.
>
> No nic, zdravim vsechny, kteri pro me jiz nejsou jen neznami pisatele do
> konference a pod jejichz prispevky si nyni budu moci vybavit i tvare.
>
> *JB*

 Zdravim,
 predem se omlouvam a lituji, ze jsem se nezucastnil CASETu1, ale proste
jsem to
nestihl. Dorazil jsem sice do cajovny, ale kdyz jsem se ptal cajovnika,
jestli tu je nekdo
pro nej nova tvar a ne z Pardubic, pokyval hlavou a povida,  ze ne, ze tu
sice byla nejaka
konference, ale ze uz je pryc. Bylo 21 hod 15 min.. No, nemuzu se divit, ze.
Tak jsem si
dal caj Nilgiri a rikal si v duchu , je to v pr.....
Jinak me prekvapila tak hojna ucast - kde jste sedeli?, a jak vysel sraz u
moroveho sloupu,
poznali jste se? Co se vedlo za debaty?


Martin Čejka
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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Mon Sep  6 11:36:59 1999
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Dobry den,

> konference, ale ze uz je pryc. Bylo 21 hod 15 min.. No, nemuzu se divit, ze.

ceerny puntik je jiz sice do prezencni listiny vepsan nesmazatelnym inkoustem,
ale nutno ocenit snahu (navsteva v 21:15), takze se snad muzete/s zucastnit
pristiho takoveho srazu.  Uz se tesim.

> Jinak me prekvapila tak hojna ucast - kde jste sedeli?, a jak vysel sraz u
> moroveho sloupu, poznali jste se? Co se vedlo za debaty?

Sedeli jsme pod sirym nebem.  U moroveho sloupu jiz byl hloucek sestavajici
z peti individui a jedne slicne divky, tak jsem uhodl, ze jsou to oni.
Pak prisel Milan M. (prijmeni jsem zapomnel, snad jsem nepopletl jmeno),
ktery se ukryval pod mimikrami skoro serioznoho cloveka, doprovazen milou
zenou, proste se nam nezdalo, ze by mohl patrit k nasi bande.  Ani po otazce
"Je toto morovy sloup?" jsme si nebyli jisti.  Tak se usadil na lavicku vedle
nas a vyckaval.  Kdyz jsme se asi v pul (treti, nikoliv devate) dali do pohybu,
taky se zvedl, a tak to bylo jasne.  Odesel vyloupit banku, aby mel zac hyrit,
vyjadril se, ze je mu mezi nami hezky, ja mu zacal tykat, a bylo to.

Byli jsme tak pomali, ze jsme nemuseli zvonit na zvonek a cajovy tovarys se
nas dosel zeptat, co chceme.  A tak hlucni, ze za nami museli zavrit dvere.

Overil jsem si, ze Ti Kuan Yin Suprgarade neni podobna Tung Tingu, ac to
nekteri pomateni starsi biologove bratri tvrdi.

Protoze mam doma cerstvou zenu, kterou radno hyckat (Kdo miluje svoji zenu
miluje sam sebe), musel jsem v pul pate prchnout.

Stepan

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Cajda.

Se zpozdenim se pripojim k diskusi, protoze jeste nikdo neprezentoval
v uplnosti spravny nazor (= ten muj).   :-)

> petr.podrabsky@spt.cz wrote:
> > jakpak je nejlepsi zabalit caj? 
> 
> Nejlepsi jsou tmave hnede sklenene nadoby (lekovky)
> se zabrousenym hrdlem. Ale jsou drahe.

100% souhlas vsech.

> Umelohmotne nahrazky nebrat, smrdi.

To je casto pravda, je mozne, ze vzdy.

Ja osobne (a to je trochu exoticky nazor) radim na druhe misto po
zabrusovych sklenicich sklenice od marmelady ci od okurek, nebo od jogurtu.
Proste sklenice se sroubovacim vickem.  To vicko ma totiz plastove tesneni,
ktere je myslim lepsi nez tesneni u cajovych plechovek.
Vyzaduje to ovsem sklenicku sedmkrat vymyt horkou vodou (v pripade okurek
je sedmkrat malo), aby se ze sklenice a umele hmoty v uzaveru dostal ven
pach predchozich najemniku.  Ale myslim, ze to lze.  V pripade chudeho
studenta se myslim tato prace za usetrenych 80 Kc (nebo kolik stoji dnes
prachovnice) vyplati.

Na terti misto radim plechovky. Papir nepovazuji za dulezity. Styk s kovem
je nezadouci pri priprave caje, neni na skodu u sucheho caje.

> > Predpokladam, ze asi nejlepsi bude
> > papirovy pytlik, co davaji v cajovnach. 
> 
> Jestli je to ten pytlik, co si predstavuji ja, 
> je dobry tak na cestu domu z cajovny plus dejme 
> tomu dva dny.

Ano, takoveto pytliky jsou skutecne na konci stupnice vhodnosti,
snad se jen slusi uznat, ze dvojite pytliky jsou o neco lepsi,
at jiz jsou to dva papiry, nebo papir a zvenku celofan ci hlinik.

Ale pokud se tyka caju hodnych oznaceni jmenem caj, tak jejich
pobyt v takovem pytliku po dobu nekolika tydnu je dozajista do Ciny
volajici surovosti.

Pro uplnost.
Jeste mnohem horsi nez papirove pytliky jsou pytliky igelitove.
Do takovych Vam daji caj treba v Betanii.  Takove pytliky jsou dobre
jen k tomu, abyste rychle utikali domu caj ulozit nejak lepe.
Rozhodne nemuzete cekat dva dny, jako v pripade pytliku papiroveho!
Ale je to preci jen lepsi, nez nosit caj v kapse od saka.

Tesim se na komentare a polemiku,   Stepan

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Caj (Lapsang, pro ty, kdo se neurazi),

> Jmenuji se .... no to by stacilo.

> 2. Ať dělám co dělám, občas, když vařím zelené čaje a zvlaste Gunpowder ma
> prece jenom jakousi rybi prichut. Konevku nahrivam, hrnecky taky. Voda
> zhruba 80 stupnu. Tak kde je chyba.

Treba by to chtelo jine caje, treba lepsi (a drazsi :-) druh gunpowderu, nebo
vubec ne Gunpowder.

Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co jim
vadi je tam zcela na miste.

Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam, treba)
a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.

Nektere rady, treba ro ty zelene japonske dokonce rikaji nejprve caj
proplachnout vodou (jen nekolik sekund) a pak udelat prvni nalev.
A nekteri lide proste rikaji, ze stejne je druhy nalev lepsi nez prvni.

Stepan


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Caj caj,

aha, dalsi mozna otazka je nasnade. Nevadi pri priprave caje cajitko 
kovove? A vlastne se zeptam, do ceho si davate pri priprave caje caj 
(do vody primo a pak scedite)? Nevim Stepane jestli jsem spravne 
pochopil ten kov pri priprave caje (i kdyz se tvuj prispevek tykal 
baleni caju).

diky za informaci 

Peta

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--
Na terti misto radim plechovky. Papir nepovazuji za dulezity. Styk s 
kovem
je nezadouci pri priprave caje, neni na skodu u sucheho caje.

Tesim se na komentare a polemiku,   Stepan

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Dobry den,

> aha, dalsi mozna otazka je nasnade. Nevadi pri priprave caje cajitko 
> kovove? A vlastne se zeptam, do ceho si davate pri priprave caje caj 
> (do vody primo a pak scedite)? Nevim Stepane jestli jsem spravne 
> pochopil ten kov pri priprave caje (i kdyz se tvuj prispevek tykal 
> baleni caju).

pochopils (jste) spravne.  Kdyz micham horky caj kovovou lzickou,
pripadne jej cedim pres kovove sitko, jsem barbar.  Kdyz patlam
japonsky praskovy caj kovovou lzockou, jsem cune na entou.

Sitko mam nejradeji hnede umelohmotne, podle mych zkusenosti je docela
inertni.  Jsou ruzne typy, ja mam radeji jemnejsi, kdyz se zanese,
odru hahos tupym predmetem proti desce kuchynske linky.  Nebo se da za
8,50 koupit nove.  Caj nasypu do konvice ci varne kadinky s uchem
(lepe predehrate), zaleji vodou, necham vylouhovat a pak scedim do druhe
konvice.  Pokud chci delat druhy nalev (kvalitnejsi zelene caje),
nemely by cajove listky vychladnout, aby nezhorkly.
							Stepan

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Stepan Kasal napsal:

>pochopils (jste) spravne.  Kdyz micham horky caj kovovou lzickou,
>pripadne jej cedim pres kovove sitko, jsem barbar.  Kdyz patlam
>japonsky praskovy caj kovovou lzockou, jsem cune na entou.

A to vcetne kvalitniho nerezu?
Je zajimave, ze napriklad v Anglii ve stredne az hodne drahych obchodech s
caji jsou bezne sehnatelna napr sitka z nerez oceli. Ja osobne zastavam
nazor, ze neni kov jako kov a myslim, ze z kvalitniho nerezu se toho pri
teplote do 100°C uvolni mene nez z hnedeho polyetylenu (nebo co je ta hmota
zac). Je tu mezi nami nejaky chemik, ktery by se k tomu mohl fundovane
vyjadrit? Samozrejme ze na caj udelany v hlinikovem esusu a michany tzv.
"klasickym bagrem" mam podobny nazor, jako vy zrejme na caj prisedsi do
styku s jakymkoliv kovem.

				Jakub Serych

P.S. Ted jsem zvedav, kolika z Vas cajomilcu budu vzapeti ukamenovan. Kryju
si hlavu :-))))

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>>pochopils (jste) spravne.  Kdyz micham horky caj kovovou lzickou,
>>pripadne jej cedim pres kovove sitko, jsem barbar.  Kdyz patlam
>>japonsky praskovy caj kovovou lzockou, jsem cune na entou.

>A to vcetne kvalitniho nerezu?
>Je zajimave, ze napriklad v Anglii ve stredne az hodne drahych obchodech s
>caji jsou bezne sehnatelna napr sitka z nerez oceli. Ja osobne zastavam
>nazor, ze neni kov jako kov a myslim, ze z kvalitniho nerezu se toho pri
>teplote do 100°C uvolni mene nez z hnedeho polyetylenu (nebo co je ta hmota
>zac). Je tu mezi nami nejaky chemik, ktery by se k tomu mohl fundovane
>vyjadrit? Samozrejme ze na caj udelany v hlinikovem esusu a michany tzv.
>"klasickym bagrem" mam podobny nazor, jako vy zrejme na caj prisedsi do
>styku s jakymkoliv kovem.


Je to jen napad, tak prosim nekamenovat. :-)

Nemaji nahodou vetsi vliv elektrochemické jevy?
Kovová lzickaka (sitko) ponorena v elektrolytu.
To by taky vysvetlovalo proc nevadi skladovani
sucheho caje v plechovych krabickach

Preji salek dobreho caje

Petr



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> ----------
> :
> 
> .
> 
> Ja osobne (a to je trochu exoticky nazor) radim na druhe misto po
> zabrusovych sklenicich sklenice od marmelady ci od okurek, nebo od
> jogurtu.
> Proste sklenice se sroubovacim vickem.  To vicko ma totiz plastove
> tesneni,
> ktere je myslim lepsi nez tesneni u cajovych plechovek.
> Vyzaduje to ovsem sklenicku sedmkrat vymyt horkou vodou (v pripade okurek
> je sedmkrat malo), aby se ze sklenice a umele hmoty v uzaveru dostal ven
> pach predchozich najemniku.  Ale myslim, ze to lze.  V pripade chudeho
> studenta se myslim tato prace za usetrenych 80 Kc (nebo kolik stoji dnes
> prachovnice) vyplati.
> 
	leckdy staci koupit nove vicko (Kc 2,-), neb umela hmota saje pachy
lepe nez sklo
	taktez se da sehnat nova sroubovaci zavarovaci sklenice, ktera je
bez nezadoucich pachu - nutno ovsem uchovavat ve tme

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Caj.
A jak mam poznat, ktery Cibulka mi to pise, kdyz se nepodepsal.
Leda ze bych usoudil, ze to jiste bude mladsi bratr, protoze
starsi by se takove nezodpovednosti nedopustil.
Ale ja si nepamatuju ktery je ktery.
							Stepan

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Drazi cajomilove,
predne jsem rad, ze se vas tolik seslo na cajovem dychanku v Pardubicich byl
jsem tam 14 dni pred vama, ale nenasel jsem si cas stavit se v cajovni. Zato
jsem byl vcera na Borsove. Poprve se mi podarilo dostat se do toho arabskyho
doupete. Donesli nám hned tuarega, kteryho jsme si neobjednali. Domnival
jsem se ze si chlapci vzali priklad z orientalni pohostinnosti a takto
vyjadrujou radost z me navstevy. Spletl jsem se, nauctovali mi ho (12 Kc za
poharek se sparenym listeckem cesky maty - to jeste jde). Tesil jsem se na
Vodni vilu, ale bohuzel, uz to taky neni co to byvalo. Treti nalev
nevydrzela. Takze DC v Praze u mne neustale klesaji. Jediny pozitivni
zazitek vecera byly dvoupasmovky Mission a z nich se linouci opravdu
uchvatnej prostorovej zvuk vazne hudby z cd playeru Teac, ale Shuisen to
nezachránilo.
Koukám, ze v konferenci se zase mluvi o kovu. Ja si s sebou na vandry vozim
nerezovej hrnicek a varim na plynovy bombicce, rozdil mezi sklem je
minimalni. Na jare jsem na vandry vozil 0,7 litrovou zavarovacku od medu se
sroubovacim vickem. Rano jsem si uvaril Shuisen, vypil, sklenici uzavrel a v
poledne udelal dalsi nalev. Je to naprosto skvela metoda a la cestujici
cinan (voni fakt nejsou blbi), a i kdyz to vypada nevabne cajicek je
vynikajici. Jen se to blbe drzi, ale da se to omotat satkem nebo fusekli
:-). Genmaicha za svitani, nebo Tie kuan jin navecer ve skalach, to sou
zazitky.
Caj skladuju v prachovnicich. Za tri roky sem jich nastradal skoro tricet.
Da se to, protoze u nas v cajovne stojej 250ml asi 55,- .Ve skromnych
zacatcich cajareni jsem pouzival sklenice od majolky nebo tatarky (vejde se
tam asi 100g "bezneho" caje.
Tak se zatim mejte - CAJ -
V Kristu Milan
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nebo o umeni:
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>
> Nektere rady, treba ro ty zelene japonske dokonce rikaji nejprve caj
> proplachnout vodou (jen nekolik sekund) a pak udelat prvni nalev.

Aku vodu(teplotu) mas na mysli? Nedavno sme "rozpravali" o mate, ktore sa
preplachuje studenou vodou a az potom sa robi z neho nalev. Bol to super
typ, myslim, ze odvtedy pripravujem najlepsie mate v okoli. Tak by ma
zaujimala teplota vody na zeleny japonsky caj. Mne teda tiez ta rybacia
prichut vadi :-).

Zuzana


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Bore da,

> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co jim
> vadi je tam zcela na miste.

Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem caji
Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi do nej jiz
nechce jit znovu.

> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam, treba)
> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.

Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat Banchu i
jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici. Vubec
posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske zelene a
to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila opicka s
Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve primo z
Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly to asi
tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel jste o nem
nekdo neco?

*JB*


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Stepan Kasal wrote:

> Caj.
> A jak mam poznat, ktery Cibulka mi to pise, kdyz se nepodepsal.
> Leda ze bych usoudil, ze to jiste bude mladsi bratr, protoze
> starsi by se takove nezodpovednosti nedopustil.
> Ale ja si nepamatuju ktery je ktery.
>                                                         Stepan

Bore da,ja si taky nepamatuji, ktery je ktery, ale myslim ze pise bratr
nezahradnik, protoze ten mluvil o tom jak ve skole uz sedel u internetu.
I kdyz na druhou stranu, bratr zahradnik (ktery je mladsi?) zase znal
cele putovani cajovniku z DC za Cajovym kralem a musel ho cist z jejich
stranek. Takze jsem trochu zmaten. Bratri, zkuste pouzivat i jmena, jen
tak pro prehlednost.

*JB*


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Ahoj,

> Aku vodu(teplotu) mas na mysli? Nedavno sme "rozpravali" o mate, ktore sa
> preplachuje studenou vodou a az potom sa robi z neho nalev. Bol to super
> typ, myslim, ze odvtedy pripravujem najlepsie mate v okoli. Tak by ma
> zaujimala teplota vody na zeleny japonsky caj. Mne teda tiez ta rybacia
> prichut vadi :-).

no ja mam na mysli vodu tak kolem 70 80 (ne ze bych to meril, proste horka).
Uplne studenou bych v pripade caje rozhodne nezkousel.
								Stepan

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> Bore da,ja si taky nepamatuji, ktery je ktery, ale myslim ze pise bratr
> nezahradnik, protoze ten mluvil o tom jak ve skole uz sedel u internetu.
> I kdyz na druhou stranu, bratr zahradnik (ktery je mladsi?) zase znal
> cele putovani cajovniku z DC za Cajovym kralem a musel ho cist z jejich
> stranek. Takze jsem trochu zmaten. Bratri, zkuste pouzivat i jmena, jen

Caj,
  bratr biolog (Ty ho asi nazyvas zahradnikem) je starsi.  Putovani za Cajovym
kralem lze cist i z papiru, tusim vyslo v Lide a Zeme nebo kde.

Stepan

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Stepan Kasal wrote:

> Caj.
> A jak mam poznat, ktery Cibulka mi to pise, kdyz se nepodepsal.
> Leda ze bych usoudil, ze to jiste bude mladsi bratr, protoze
> starsi by se takove nezodpovednosti nedopustil.
> Ale ja si nepamatuju ktery je ktery.
> 							Stepan
> 
     Ja (mladsi) mam signaturu s podpisem.

     O.



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     Lidi!
     Prave jsem dohnal svuj deficit v poctu prectenych mailu z konference
a pri prvni volne chvilce, tj. zitra doplnim info z Pardubic o seznam
zucastnenych. Dnes to opravdu nejde. Teste se!

     O.



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co se tyka rybich prichuti

- me osobne nevadi naopak mi docela vyhovuji
- citil jsem je urcite ze senchy a genmaichy, u banchy jsem ji nepozoroval
(nebo lepe nezaznamenal chutovymi bunkami)

nicmene pritelkyni tato "pachut" evidentne vadi a bynchu vypila
a olizovala se az za usima.

- co se tyka vody na jap. zel caje nekde jsem cetl , ze by si clovek mel
zkusit jakou NEJNIZZSI teplotu je schopen jeste chutove unest  a pri
ktere ma caj jeste vyraznou chut - ja osobne pouzivam vodu tak mezi 60- 70
stupni Celestýna.



----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Bourek <jan.bourek@asysijd.cz>
To: - Cajovy Dychanek - <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 11:09 PM
Subject: Caj: Rybi caje


> Bore da,
>
> > Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co
jim
> > vadi je tam zcela na miste.
>
> Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem
caji
> Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi do
nej jiz
> nechce jit znovu.
>



>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep  8 07:36:48 1999
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Cajte,
prosim Vas o info, ci je aj v CR 15.9. statny sviatok. Ak nie je, asi si
spravim vylet, poradte mi, kde v Prahe kupim pekne konvicky, pripadne, ci
neviete o nejakom velkoskade na caje a caj. prislusenstvo, kde by sa dalo
nakupit "pre vlastnu potrebu".
Dakujem Vam
Zuzana


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pritomni: Ondrej  E. Cibulka
          Stepan Kasal
          Galenius
          Radim Cibulka
          Tomas "Ebi" Ebenlendr
          Jan Bourek
          Milan Moravec
omluveni: Palo Halaj
c. tecka: Martin Cejka (druha)
hoste: Eva "Slunicko" Synkova
       Milada "Hvezdicka" Moravcova
zacatek: 14:30
slavnostni ukonceni: ???
zapis jednani: bla bla brr brr ham bum bum hi hi...

     O.



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> pritomni: Ondrej  E. Cibulka
>           Stepan Kasal
>           Galenius
>           Radim Cibulka
>           Tomas "Ebi" Ebenlendr
>           Jan Bourek
>           Milan Moravec
> omluveni: Palo Halaj
> c. tecka: Martin Cejka (druha)

Ondro,
asi v opojeni nejakeho caje, nejspise to byl Staroborsov, jsi napsal druha,
ale spravne
melo byt prvni :-))). Nultou asi neukecam, ze.

Jinak jsem byl vcera v cajovne a jelikoz jsem nemel chut na konkretni caj,
vetsinou to v takove chvili
resim PUERem, tak jsem v nabidce nasel novou stranku  "Zlute caje."
Ten jsem nikdy jeste nemel, tak jsem si dal caj  "packa stribrne opice". Caj
nebyl vubec zluty, zluty se mu rika
proto, ze byl urcen pro cisare - vse co bylo zlute, bylo cisarovo - zadna
packa tam taky nebyla, ale ta vopice, ta teda pak byla :-))

S pozdravem
Martin Cejka
xcejkam@nem.pce.cz
work: 040/6011220
home: 040/45951




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On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, [iso-8859-1] Čejka Martin wrote:

> resim PUERem, tak jsem v nabidce nasel novou stranku  "Zlute caje."
> Martin Cejka

     Pueru rikam bahynko a mam k nemu take podobny osobni vztah.

     O.



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Caj vsichni,

existuje vubec casopis o caji?

Peta
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Ahojte, 

primo zadny cajovy cajopis neznám, ale obcas se neco doctu v Beverage Revui.


nova cajomilka Jitka

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> Předmět: 	Caj: casopis o caji
> 
> Caj vsichni,
> 
> existuje vubec casopis o caji?
> 
> Peta
> 

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po prazdninach se nic nedeje nebo mne opet server dal k ledu? SASA

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SEVEROVA@gytool.cz wrote:
> 
> po prazdninach se nic nedeje nebo mne opet server dal k ledu? SASA


B je sprave. Mate tam u vas asi nejaky problem s dorucovanim posty,
byva to tim, ze se pripojujete pres modem mene casto nez jednou za 
tri dny. Nas postovni server pak dostava zpravy, ze se nepodarilo 
dorucit postu. Pokud se takove zpravy opakuji (dejme tomu desetkrat 
za sebou), automaticky dojde k odhlaseni z konference. Tak nejak mi
to vysvetlil spravce posty na serveru Dione.
Takze nezbyva, nez se prihlasit znova a cist postu casteji :-(

Pavel

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	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre pripraveneho
caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).

		S pozdravem
				Petr.




At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Bore da,
>
>> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co
jim
>> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
>
>Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem caji
>Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi do
nej jiz
>nechce jit znovu.
>
>> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam,
treba)
>> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
>
>Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat
Banchu i
>jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
>Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici. Vubec
>posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske
zelene a
>to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila opicka s
>Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve
primo z
>Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly
to asi
>tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
jste o nem
>nekdo neco?
>
>*JB*
>
>
>

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Asi kazdy ma nejakou perverzi, ale vyhledavat vuni zkazenych vajec...
Osobne nevyhledavam ani prichut ryb. Pro milovniky rybiny bych mel
jeden recept - zbytky od makrely, co jste snedli k veceri, primichejte
do japonske Senchy ;-)
Ja v Senche zadne ryby nemam.

Ctirad

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> 
> 	Zdravim cajomily,
> 
>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
> pripraveneho
> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
> 
> 		S pozdravem
> 				Petr.
> 
> 

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Asi kazdy ma nejakou perverzi, ale vyhledavat vuni zkazenych vajec...
Osobne nevyhledavam ani prichut ryb. Pro milovniky rybiny bych mel
jeden recept - zbytky od makrely, co jste snedli k veceri, primichejte
do japonske Senchy ;-)
Ja v Senche zadne ryby nemam.

Ctirad

> ----------
> Odesílatel:	Petr Novak[SMTP:petrnon@seznam.cz]
> 
> 	Zdravim cajomily,
> 
>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
> pripraveneho
> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
> 
> 		S pozdravem
> 				Petr.
> 
> 

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Asi kazdy ma nejakou perverzi, ale vyhledavat vuni zkazenych vajec...
Osobne nevyhledavam ani prichut ryb. Pro milovniky rybiny bych mel
jeden recept - zbytky od makrely, co jste snedli k veceri, primichejte
do japonske Senchy ;-)
Ja v Senche zadne ryby nemam.

Ctirad

> ----------
> Odesílatel:	Petr Novak[SMTP:petrnon@seznam.cz]
> 
> 	Zdravim cajomily,
> 
>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
> pripraveneho
> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
> 
> 		S pozdravem
> 				Petr.
> 
> 

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	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre pripraveneho
caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).

		S pozdravem
				Petr.




At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Bore da,
>
>> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co
jim
>> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
>
>Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem caji
>Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi do
nej jiz
>nechce jit znovu.
>
>> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam,
treba)
>> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
>
>Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat
Banchu i
>jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
>Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici. Vubec
>posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske
zelene a
>to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila opicka s
>Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve
primo z
>Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly
to asi
>tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
jste o nem
>nekdo neco?
>
>*JB*
>
>
>

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	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre pripraveneho
caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).

		S pozdravem
				Petr.




At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Bore da,
>
>> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to, co
jim
>> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
>
>Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem caji
>Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi do
nej jiz
>nechce jit znovu.
>
>> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam,
treba)
>> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
>
>Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat
Banchu i
>jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
>Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici. Vubec
>posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske
zelene a
>to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila opicka s
>Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve
primo z
>Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly
to asi
>tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
jste o nem
>nekdo neco?
>
>*JB*
>
>
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep  9 11:45:41 1999
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Zdravim,
musim Vam teda napsat, co se me minuly tyden stalo spolu s mym kolegou z
prace.
Ve cvrtek odpoledne jsem hodil do placu, ze bychom mohli zajit do cajovny,
kolega to celkem kvitoval,
takze pohoda. Druhy den v patek to vypadalo nasledovne:

Ja:                tak jsem byl vcera v cajovne, ale tys tam nebyl.
Kolega:        V kolik jsi tam byl?
Ja:                prisel jsem asi v 19.00 hod.
Kolega:        ja jsem asi v 18.45 hod odesel.

To je jedine, v cem jsme se neshodli.

Ja:                ja jsem sedel u druheho stolku v rohu.
Kolega:        Ja taky.
Kolega:        Dal jsem si nejakou(moc casto do cajovny nechodi) "vzpominku
na kjoto"
Ja:                Presne. Ja taky.
 Ja:                (aby to nevypadalo, ze kecam, tak po pravde-) Nejdrive
jsem si ale chtel dat caj, uz nevim jak se
                      jmenuje, ale kdyz Ti ho donasi, tak volaji caj, caj,
caaaj, caj, ....
Kolega:        Ja jsem si ho chtel dat taky.

No, vzacna shoda, nebo do me postupne proste prichazely myslenky, ktery on
predtim vysilal.


Martin Cejka
xcejkam@nem.pce.cz
work: 040/6011220
home: 040/45951


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Jeste k tem sitkum - konzultoval jsem to s chemikem:
umela hmota, pokud neobsahuje tekave primesi (pak smrdi sama o sobe), stezi
muze uvolnovat do vody mononery, nebot tyto NEJSOU ve vode rozpustne (jiny
pripad je takova smetanka po tydnu v umelohmotnem pytliku).
kov - ionty kovu jsou ve vode obvykle vyborne rozpustne (obzvlaste v kysele
vode - napr. ovocne stavy, vino), v zasaditem caji vsak prestup kationtu do
roztoku (zvlaste z nerezu) nebude nijak dabelsky.
bambus - o bambusove polevce jiz bylo hovoreno.
. . . a rada chemika?	poridte si sitko keramicke!!!


Na zaver mohu rici nez toto: pokud ma nekdo POCIT, ze umela hmota (ci cokoli
jineho) jeho caji vadi, pak je nejlepsi na ni zapomenout. Z vedeckeho
hlediska je to ale nesmysl.
R.

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ale zase je TUO CHA výborná na zaludek - rozuejte kdyz je spatne , nevolno
az blivno. zajimalo by mne jestli stejne funguje  i zelená verze tohoto
cajícku


----- Original Message -----
From: Petr Novak <petrnon@seznam.cz>
To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Caj: Rybi caje


> Zdravim cajomily,
>
>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
pripraveneho
> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
>
> S pozdravem
> Petr.
>
>
>
>
> At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >Bore da,
> >
> >> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to,
co
> jim
> >> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
> >
> >Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem
caji
> >Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi
do
> nej jiz
> >nechce jit znovu.
> >
> >> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam,
> treba)
> >> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
> >
> >Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat
> Banchu i
> >jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
> >Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici.
Vubec
> >posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske
> zelene a
> >to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila
opicka s
> >Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve
> primo z
> >Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly
> to asi
> >tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
> jste o nem
> >nekdo neco?
> >
> >*JB*
> >
> >
> >
>


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>ale zase je TUO CHA výborná na zaludek - rozuejte kdyz je spatne , nevolno
>az blivno. zajimalo by mne jestli stejne funguje  i zelená verze tohoto
>cajícku
>

Zelene Tou Cha je k mani asi 100g za sto a je to skveli caj na cesty i
pobyt.
Je dobre skladny, da se z nej s trochou cviku oddelovatpresna davka a ve
sklenici se da dvakrat, trikrat zalit. Pripraveny na drevenem ohni ma
vytecne aroma. Co se tyce leceni zaludkovych trablu, prisuzoval jsem jej
doted spise tmavsim az nejtmavsim, ale ani u zelenych caju bych ho
nevylucoval.                                       T om


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	Zdravim,

    no zelenou variantu zatim nemam odzkousenou a tak nevim. Jsem rad, ze
se aspon nekdo zastal tak kvalitniho caje jako je napr. Toa Cha :-)). 

		S pozdravem
				Petr


At 18:00 14.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>ale zase je TUO CHA výbornŽ na zaludek - rozuejte kdyz je spatne , nevolno
>az blivno. zajimalo by mne jestli stejne funguje  i zelenŽ verze tohoto
>cajícku
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Petr Novak <petrnon@seznam.cz>
>To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 5:06 PM
>Subject: Re: Caj: Rybi caje
>
>
>> Zdravim cajomily,
>>
>>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi. Potom
>> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je soucasti
>> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny), ktery
>> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
>pripraveneho
>> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
>> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
>> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
>>
>> S pozdravem
>> Petr.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>> >Bore da,
>> >
>> >> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze to,
>co
>> jim
>> >> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
>> >
>> >Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v japonskem
>caji
>> >Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se mi
>do
>> nej jiz
>> >nechce jit znovu.
>> >
>> >> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha, Vietnam,
>> treba)
>> >> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
>> >
>> >Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy dat
>> Banchu i
>> >jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
>> >Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici.
>Vubec
>> >posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis cinske
>> zelene a
>> >to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila
>opicka s
>> >Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil poprve
>> primo z
>> >Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a byly
>> to asi
>> >tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
>> jste o nem
>> >nekdo neco?
>> >
>> >*JB*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 15 22:13:11 1999
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toa cha nebo TUO CHA ???
----- Original Message -----
From: Petr Novak <petrnon@seznam.cz>
To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Caj: Rybi caje


> Zdravim,
>
>     no zelenou variantu zatim nemam odzkousenou a tak nevim. Jsem rad, ze
> se aspon nekdo zastal tak kvalitniho caje jako je napr. Toa Cha :-)).
>
> S pozdravem
> Petr
>
>
> At 18:00 14.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >ale zase je TUO CHA výbornŽ na zaludek - rozuejte kdyz je spatne ,
nevolno
> >az blivno. zajimalo by mne jestli stejne funguje  i zelenŽ verze tohoto
> >cajícku
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Petr Novak <petrnon@seznam.cz>
> >To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 5:06 PM
> >Subject: Re: Caj: Rybi caje
> >
> >
> >> Zdravim cajomily,
> >>
> >>      jak je zrejme z ohlasu, tak rybi aroma v caji rade lidi vadi.
Potom
> >> asi nezbyva, nez aby se zamerili na caje jine, protoze aroma je
soucasti
> >> caje. Zatim jsem zde neslysel podobne stiznosti na Toa Cha (cerny),
ktery
> >> se da z hlediska aroma hodnotit dost nepriznive, nebot z dobre
> >pripraveneho
> >> caje  vane mirne neco jako zkazena vejce :-(. Ale to je na nem prave to
> >> charakteristicke a bude rada lidi, kteri ho budou pro to nezamenitelne
> >> aroma vyhledavat a rada jinych, kteri se mu radsi zdaleka vyhnou :-).
> >>
> >> S pozdravem
> >> Petr.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 23:09 6.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >> >Bore da,
> >> >
> >> >> Mnozi lide citi rybinu z japonskych zelenych caju, a ja mysli, ze
to,
> >co
> >> jim
> >> >> vadi je tam zcela na miste.
> >> >
> >> >Ja citim (a muj kamarad take - snad jeste vic) rybinu pouze v
japonskem
> >caji
> >> >Bancha, ktery jsem tedy pil pouze v kolinske cajovne a od te doby se
mi
> >do
> >> nej jiz
> >> >nechce jit znovu.
> >> >
> >> >> Coz takhle najit si zeleny caj, ktery vyhovuje (Yunnan Lu Cha,
Vietnam,
> >> treba)
> >> >> a temi rybimi se nezdrzovat.
> >> >
> >> >Rybi caje, to je celkem zajimava charakteristika. Budu si muset nekdy
dat
> >> Banchu i
> >> >jinde, treba to bylo jen pripravou, nebo byl spatny den ...
> >> >Z japonskych caju mi dost vyhovuje Gyokuro, ac drahe, je vynikajici.
> >Vubec
> >> >posledni dobou jsem japonske caje trochu prestal popijet, ted spis
cinske
> >> zelene a
> >> >to tak ze neustale. Stale se mi na prednich prickach predhaneji Bila
> >opicka s
> >> >Dracima ocima (nebo snad necim kuloveho tvaru). A vcera jsem pil
poprve
> >> primo z
> >> >Ciny dovezeny, pro Cajovny Setkani, caj Tygri oci. Byl vynikajici a
byly
> >> to asi
> >> >tak tri povetsi kulicky v Zhongu, ktere chutnaly moc podmanive. Slysel
> >> jste o nem
> >> >nekdo neco?
> >> >
> >> >*JB*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>


>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Fri Sep 17 15:10:03 1999
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Ahoj,
pri priprave caje (resp. po ni) pozoruju zajimavy ukaz. Zatimco vlastni
priprava probiha tak jak ma (caj je po zaliti a vyluhovani v poradku,
spravna chut i barva), kdyz vymyvam konvicku (sklenenou) po delsi dobe
(treba necham listky v konvicne pres noc, nebo nekolik hodin - jsem
linej to vymejvat hned), tak jakmile na listky pustim studenou vodu,
okamzite se voda zbarvi do velmi neprirozeny tmavy barvy. Je to takova
"chemicka" tmave fialova barva. Ani pri tom nezalezi jestli se jedna o
zeleny nebo cerny, casto se mi to stava u obou. Nevite cim to muze byt?
Na vyplachovani pouzivam vodu ze studne, ktera asi neni pitna (caj
pripravuju z jiny). Setkali jste se s tim nekdy? Je to vodou nebo tim ze
listky jsou uz dlouho po vyluhovani a probehla v nich naka reakce?

Vasek



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	Zdravim,

     je to sice hezky namet na vyzkum, ale ja bych videl jedine rozumne
reseni: konvicku brzo po poslednim nalevu vymyt a je po starostech. :-)),
jaka barva se na listkach caje objevi, za jak dlouho a jake uvolnuje aroma
atd.

		S pozdravem 
				Petr

At 15:09 17.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Ahoj,
>pri priprave caje (resp. po ni) pozoruju zajimavy ukaz. Zatimco vlastni
>priprava probiha tak jak ma (caj je po zaliti a vyluhovani v poradku,
>spravna chut i barva), kdyz vymyvam konvicku (sklenenou) po delsi dobe
>(treba necham listky v konvicne pres noc, nebo nekolik hodin - jsem
>linej to vymejvat hned), tak jakmile na listky pustim studenou vodu,
>okamzite se voda zbarvi do velmi neprirozeny tmavy barvy. Je to takova
>"chemicka" tmave fialova barva. Ani pri tom nezalezi jestli se jedna o
>zeleny nebo cerny, casto se mi to stava u obou. Nevite cim to muze byt?
>Na vyplachovani pouzivam vodu ze studne, ktera asi neni pitna (caj
>pripravuju z jiny). Setkali jste se s tim nekdy? Je to vodou nebo tim ze
>listky jsou uz dlouho po vyluhovani a probehla v nich naka reakce?
>
>Vasek
>
>
>
>

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Ahoj cajomilci,
rozpravala som sa s odbornikom na pripravu cajov na Slovensku. Hovoril, ze
zelene caje,ktore su menej kvalitne (jednonalevove) pripravuje zaliatim
vriacou vodou - aby sa vsetko uvolnilo z caju naraz. Nesuhlasim s tymto
nazorom, pretoze som citala, ze vriaca voda znici okrem ineho aj vonne
silice v caji, prave tie, ktore davaju zelenemu caju dobru chut a vonu. Aj
zo skusenosti viem, ze mi viac chuti napr. Chun Mee, ked ho nezalejem
vriacou vodou. Aky je vas nazor?
Zuzana


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Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
cekam.
                                 SASA

> Ahoj cajomilci,
> rozpravala som sa s odbornikom na pripravu cajov na Slovensku. Hovoril, ze
> zelene caje,ktore su menej kvalitne (jednonalevove) pripravuje zaliatim
> vriacou vodou - aby sa vsetko uvolnilo z caju naraz. Nesuhlasim s tymto
> nazorom, pretoze som citala, ze vriaca voda znici okrem ineho aj vonne
> silice v caji, prave tie, ktore davaju zelenemu caju dobru chut a vonu. Aj
> zo skusenosti viem, ze mi viac chuti napr. Chun Mee, ked ho nezalejem
> vriacou vodou. Aky je vas nazor?
> Zuzana
> 
> 

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Ahoj cajovnici,
Konference nejak spi tak zasilam neco pro vedce. Je to o ucinku cerneho a
zeleneho caje na metabolismus mineralnich prvku u starych krys.

Preji peknou zabavu. :-)




130:181835
Effect of green tea and black tea on the metabolisms of mineral elements in
old rats.
Zeyuan, Deng; Bingying, Tao; Xiaolin, Li; Jinming, He; Yifeng, Chen
(Institute of Food Nutrition, Nanchang University, Nanchang 330047, Peop.
Rep. China).  Biol. Trace Elem. Res., 65(1), 75-86 (English) 1998 Humana
Press Inc.  CODEN: BTERDG.  ISSN: 0163-4984.  DOCUMENT TYPE: Journal CA
Section: 18 (Animal Nutrition)
A 2-mo expt. with Sprague-Dawley (SD) rats was conducted to investigate the
effect of the water exts. of black tea (BTWE) and green tea (GTWE) and the
black tea leaves (BTF) and the green tea leaves (GTF) on the metab. of
mineral elements.  One hundred eight 12-mo-old white SD rats were randomly
divided into 13 groups; 6 of these drank the BTWE or GTWE in which the water
exts. concns. of black tea or green tea were, resp., 0.6%, 1.2%, and 2.4%,
and 6 of these had black tea leaves (BTF) and green tea leaves (GTF) added
in which the contents of BTF or GTF were, resp., 0.5%, 1.0%, and 2.0%; one
of these was control.  The teas and their water exts. could promote the
absorption of manganese and copper.  In GTF, BTF, GTWE, and BTWE, the
apparent absorption rates of manganese were significantly increased.  The
manganese contents in the tibia were also elevated, and the differences
between GTWE and GTF were significant.  The apparent absorption rates of
copper and the copper contents in the tibia were increased, but not
significantly.  The teas and their water exts. inhibited the absorption of
calcium (p > 0.05) and iron (p < 0.05).  The cerebrum calcium contents were
significantly decreased, but the contents of calcium and iron in tibia were
not significantly changed.  Compared with the control, although the apparent
absorption rates of aluminum in all exptl. groups were not obsd. to be
different, the aluminum contents in the tibia (p > 0.05) and cerebrum (p <
0.05) were increased.  GTF and GTWE decreased the apparent absorption rates
of zinc, but BTF and BTWE increased them; the zinc contents in tibia were a
little improved, whereas its contents in the cerebrum were gradually
decreased with the increase of tea leaves dose and tea concn.
Keywords
mineral nutrient brain bone diet tea
Index Entries
Tea (beverage)
Tea leaves
black; effect of green tea and black tea on the metabs. of mineral elements
in old rats
Bone
Cerebrum
Green tea
Mineral nutrients, biological studies
effect of green tea and black tea on the metabs. of mineral elements in old
rats
Tea leaves
green; effect of green tea and black tea on the metabs. of mineral elements
in old rats
7429­90­5, biological studies
7439­89­6, biological studies
7439­96­5, biological studies
7440­50­8, biological studies
7440­66­6, biological studies
7440­70­2, biological studies
effect of green tea and black tea on the metabs. of mineral elements in old
rats


V Kristu Milan
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Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu ohrat uspesne
nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby cekat na
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				Jakub Serych

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Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
cekam.
                                 SASA


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Hola vespolek!
Po mesici jsem se opet vratil domu a hlehlez, ocekavalo mne jarku sto dvacet
novych mejlu z konference. Toz prolistovav je, mam zde nekolik odpovedi:

- ano, nas skautsky oddil vznikl v prelomovem roce 1989, pote, co jsme se
nekolik mesicu po opusteni pionyrske skupiny placatili mezi TJ, TOM ci
Tabornickou unii.

- omlouvam, se za tu predstavovaci manii, kterou jsem spustil. Jenom jsem
chtel, abyste vedeli, s kym hovorite (a naopak). Ostatne, vsechny Vase
personalie uz mam ve svem cajovem bonzblocku...

- tak trpchu jsem patral po vztahu mate a kofeinu - ted odkaz, co tady
probehnul me naved na spoustu dalsich odkazu atd., nicmene tady je vysledek:
To, kolik kofeinu mate obsahuje (respektive kdo tvrdi kolik ho obsahuje),
zalezi na tom, jak hluboko ve vyzkumech ktery vyzkumnik sel. Kdo zustal u
ucinku, zacal tvrdit, ze kofein v mate je a v porovnani s kavou (anzto ucinky
byly silnejsi) je ho tam vic. Kdo vzal toto tvrzeni za sve a patral po
pritomnosti kofeinu (zrejme laboratorni cestou), zjistil, ze je ho tam
naproste minimum. Z cehoz vyplynulo, ze to, co zpusobuje ony kofein-like
ucinky, musi byt neco jineho nez kofein. A vskutku! Byl to - jak necekane -
matein; sloucenina, ktera patri do teze skupiny jako kofein (xantiny), avsak
oproti nemu je mnohem prijemnejsi, mene skodliva a naopak jeste o neco
lecivejsi. Takze, mili cajickari, hura na mate!

- Ted kdyz uz jsem Vam udelal poradek v xantinech, potreboval bych i ja trochu
harmonizovat svoje vedomosti o caji:
co jsou a jake maji vlastnosti a ucinky 
a) trisloviny
b) tein
c) tanin
+d) co zpusobuje onu podivnou lesklou (vice mene pevnou) vrstvu na dele
vyluhovanych cajich?

P.S. Docela mne potesilo, kdyz jsem nahle v kuchynce v praci objevil pytlicek
zeleneho mate - ted uz jen zjistit komu patri a vhodne ho zknokautovat...



                                  S voyagerskym pozdravem
                                     "Preji Vam studnu"
                                            Hibi

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     Zdravím milcov caju,

     pokial sa pamätám, v tejto konferencii sa uz o tomto probleme
hovorilo. Su udajne niektore druhy zeleneho caju, tusim nejaky vietnamsky,
ktory sa zalieva aj podla uvedeneho navodu k priprave, prave vriacou vodou,
ale pokial mam tiez skusenosti, väcsina sa zalieva vodou okolo tych 80
stupnov celsia. Skusil som tiez vriacu vodu, ale vobec sa caj nedal pit a
bolo z toho akesy podivne blato.
Caj vsetkym
                        Palo


-----Původní zpráva-----
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>Ahoj cajomilci,
>rozpravala som sa s odbornikom na pripravu cajov na Slovensku. Hovoril, ze
>zelene caje,ktore su menej kvalitne (jednonalevove) pripravuje zaliatim
>vriacou vodou - aby sa vsetko uvolnilo z caju naraz. Nesuhlasim s tymto
>nazorom, pretoze som citala, ze vriaca voda znici okrem ineho aj vonne
>silice v caji, prave tie, ktore davaju zelenemu caju dobru chut a vonu. Aj
>zo skusenosti viem, ze mi viac chuti napr. Chun Mee, ked ho nezalejem
>vriacou vodou. Aky je vas nazor?
>Zuzana
>
>


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Mikrovlnka? To je na mne trochu moc...

Ctirad

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> 
> Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu ohrat
> uspesne
> nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby cekat na
> vychladnuti z bodu varu. Samozrejme je nutno v takovem pripade ohrivat
> neustale tentyz objem vody.
> 
> 				Jakub Serych
> 
> -----Původní zpráva-----
> Od: Severova@gytool.cz [mailto:Severova@gytool.cz]
> Odesláno: 21. září 1999 14:05
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> Předmět: Re: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
> tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
> druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
> cekam.
>                                  SASA
> 

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> - tak trpchu jsem patral po vztahu mate a kofeinu - ted odkaz, co tady
> probehnul me naved na spoustu dalsich odkazu atd., nicmene tady je
vysledek:
> To, kolik kofeinu mate obsahuje (respektive kdo tvrdi kolik ho obsahuje),
> zalezi na tom, jak hluboko ve vyzkumech ktery vyzkumnik sel. Kdo zustal u
> ucinku, zacal tvrdit, ze kofein v mate je a v porovnani s kavou (anzto
ucinky
> byly silnejsi) je ho tam vic. Kdo vzal toto tvrzeni za sve a patral po
> pritomnosti kofeinu (zrejme laboratorni cestou), zjistil, ze je ho tam
> naproste minimum. Z cehoz vyplynulo, ze to, co zpusobuje ony kofein-like
> ucinky, musi byt neco jineho nez kofein. A vskutku! Byl to - jak necekane
-
> matein; sloucenina, ktera patri do teze skupiny jako kofein (xantiny),
avsak
> oproti nemu je mnohem prijemnejsi, mene skodliva a naopak jeste o neco
> lecivejsi. Takze, mili cajickari, hura na mate!

No, preci jen, jelikoz chci prezit, budu se mate nadale vyhybat. Je sice
mozne, 
ze matein ma mene skodlive ucinky nez kofein, ale preci jen, kdyz jsem mate
pil
naposled, tak jsem pak spal skoro nepretrzite dva dny. Znova riskovat se mi
nechce.
A navic, jak rekl jeden kamarad, "Uz jsem pil horsi veci, ale nikdy ne
dobrovolne" 8-))))

Galenius

BTW nema nekdo z vas v archivu mail Ebiho? Potreboval bych. Dik.

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	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak zde bylo v zaveru konstatovano, jsem i ja toho nazoru, ze je
pouziti mikrovlnky k pouhemu ohrevu vody pro pripravu caje skutecne dost
silny tabak. Proc se asi caj od doby, kdy se zacal pouzivat, zaleva horkou
vodou, ovsem tou, ktera byla predtim ohrata na bod varu? 

		S pozdravem 
				Petr


At 07:07 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Mikrovlnka? To je na mne trochu moc...
>
>Ctirad
>
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>> 
>> Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu ohrat
>> uspesne
>> nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby cekat na
>> vychladnuti z bodu varu. Samozrejme je nutno v takovem pripade ohrivat
>> neustale tentyz objem vody.
>> 
>> 				Jakub Serych
>> 
>> -----Původní zpráva-----
>> Od: Severova@gytool.cz [mailto:Severova@gytool.cz]
>> Odesláno: 21. září 1999 14:05
>> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Předmět: Re: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
>> 
>> 
>> Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
>> tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
>> druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
>> cekam.
>>                                  SASA
>> 
>
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 09:30:04 1999
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	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak tak ctu, muze byt povidani o ucincich piti caje (mate) tak
dramaticke (spani na dva dny...), ze bych tomu snad ani nechtel verit :-)).
Ale proc hledat hned pricinu svych zdravotnich problemu prave jen v
ucincich caje? 

		S pozdravem

				Petr

At 07:27 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>> - tak trpchu jsem patral po vztahu mate a kofeinu - ted odkaz, co tady
>> probehnul me naved na spoustu dalsich odkazu atd., nicmene tady je
>vysledek:
>> To, kolik kofeinu mate obsahuje (respektive kdo tvrdi kolik ho obsahuje),
>> zalezi na tom, ... 
kdyz jsem mate pil
>naposled, tak jsem pak spal skoro nepretrzite dva dny. Znova riskovat se mi
>nechce.
>A navic, jak rekl jeden kamarad, "Uz jsem pil horsi veci, ale nikdy ne
>dobrovolne" 8-))))
>
>Galenius
>
>BTW nema nekdo z vas v archivu mail Ebiho? Potreboval bych. Dik.
>
>

	S pozdravem
	 Petr Novak

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>      jak tak ctu, muze byt povidani o ucincich piti caje (mate) tak
> dramaticke (spani na dva dny...), ze bych tomu snad ani 
> nechtel verit :-)).
> Ale proc hledat hned pricinu svych zdravotnich problemu prave jen v
> ucincich caje? 

No, pokud si dam Mate Rancho, prijdu domu a totalne zatuhnu a mam problemy
dalsi dva dny se udrzet v praci v probuzenem stavu, v cem bys hledal duvod
ty?
BTW dovolim si nesouhlasit s oznacenim caj pro mate. Cesmina neni caj.

	Galenius

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    Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco dalsiho, soude
podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).

	S pozdravem 
			Petr

At 09:41 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>>      jak tak ctu, muze byt povidani o ucincich piti caje (mate) tak
>> dramaticke (spani na dva dny...), ze bych tomu snad ani 
>> nechtel verit :-)).
>> Ale proc hledat hned pricinu svych zdravotnich problemu prave jen v
>> ucincich caje? 
>
>No, pokud si dam Mate Rancho, prijdu domu a totalne zatuhnu a mam problemy
>dalsi dva dny se udrzet v praci v probuzenem stavu, v cem bys hledal duvod
>ty?
>BTW dovolim si nesouhlasit s oznacenim caj pro mate. Cesmina neni caj.
>
>	Galenius
>
>

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Preju krasneho dne vsem cajomilum,
i kdyz jsem uplnym novackem na teto Vasi konferenci a tudiz bych se mel pouze
rozkoukavat, dovolim si prilozit  i ja, takove male diskuzni polenko. A to
Mikrovlnka a caj. Chapu sice, ze v dnesni pretechnizovane dobne, se vsichni
snazi nacpat moderni stroje a pristroje kamkoliv a pouzit je k cemukoliv, ale
mikrovlnaka a caj? Jiz jen poha predstava, ze nastupcem obcas i slozitych
"cajovych ritualu" je zaklapnuti dvirek, stisknuti knofliku a "cink" ? Mam pocit
ze jde tak trochu o svatokrades toho, cim k nam caj promlouva. Takze se plne
priklanim na stranu Petra.
                                   Jirka




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>     Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco 
> dalsiho, soude
> podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).
> 
> 	S pozdravem 
> 			Petr

To si dovolim nesouhlasit. Zdravi slusne... Jen patrim k lidem, ktere kafe a
podobne napoje (coz je nejspise i mate) uspava.

Galenius

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> ze jde tak trochu o svatokrades toho, cim k nam caj 
> promlouva. Takze se plne
> priklanim na stranu Petra.

Nelze nez souhlasit. 
Je sice pravda, ze ohrivat vodu na ohni ci horkych kamenech je ponekud
nemozne, ale preci jen, varna konvice je starym tradicim preci jen blize nez
mikrovlnka...

	Galenius

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Omlouvam se, ale tomu trochu nerozumim. Na jedne strane se pise, ze voda na
caj by se v zadnem pripade nemela prevarit, na druhou stranu ted zase
nutnost ohrevu vody az k bodu varu, aby pak nasledne chladla. 
Samozrejme pouzivam vodu filtrovanou, takze pritomnost bakterii je dost
silne omezena, chlor (ktery se jinak odstranuje z vody delsim varem) tam
temer neni (diky filtru) a dusicnany, ktere tam sice zustanou var stejne
neznici (chapu ovsem, ze caj pripraveny zalitim vodou z prutokace patri do
jine kategorie, z toho i me naskakuje husi kuze).  
Mohl by mi prosim nekdo dat racionalni vysvetleni, proc vodu hnat az ke
stovce? Pokud neexistuje vysvetleni racionalni a existuji jen argumenty, ze
nejake tisicileti se to uz tak dela, pak by stalo za to udelat objektivni
slepy test. Cajomilum by se daval k okostovani za zcela stejnych podminek
uvareny caj, jen s tim rozdilem, ze jednou by se voda ohrala na 100 a pak
ochladila rekneme na 70, podruhe by se jen ohrala na 70. Samozrejme, aby
test mel vypovidaci hodnotu, musel by se udelat tak, aby cajomilove
netusili, ktery caj je ktery a testu/testovacích znalcu by muselo být
rozumné mnozství.
Docela by me zajimaly vysledky. 

			Mejte se

					Jakub Serych
 

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Petr Novak [mailto:petrnon@seznam.cz]
Odesláno: 22. září 1999 11:17
Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
Předmět: RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava


	Zdravim cajomily,

     jak zde bylo v zaveru konstatovano, jsem i ja toho nazoru, ze je
pouziti mikrovlnky k pouhemu ohrevu vody pro pripravu caje skutecne dost
silny tabak. Proc se asi caj od doby, kdy se zacal pouzivat, zaleva horkou
vodou, ovsem tou, ktera byla predtim ohrata na bod varu? 

		S pozdravem 
				Petr


At 07:07 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Mikrovlnka? To je na mne trochu moc...
>
>Ctirad
>
>> ----------
>> Odesílatel:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
>> Odpovedi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Odesláno: 	21. zárí 1999 14:00
>> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Predmet: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
>> 
>> Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu ohrat
>> uspesne
>> nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby cekat na
>> vychladnuti z bodu varu. Samozrejme je nutno v takovem pripade ohrivat
>> neustale tentyz objem vody.
>> 
>> 				Jakub Serych
>> 
>> -----Puvodní zpráva-----
>> Od: Severova@gytool.cz [mailto:Severova@gytool.cz]
>> Odesláno: 21. zárí 1999 14:05
>> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Predmet: Re: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
>> 
>> 
>> Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
>> tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
>> druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
>> cekam.
>>                                  SASA
>> 
>
>

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S timto nazorem nemohu plne souhlasit. Vetsi cilivost napr. na toxiny
nebo jine skodlive latky neznamena horsi zdravotni stav.
Konkretne, nekomu se udela spatne ze vzduchu v hospode, z hluku, ktery tam
panuje, je to zpusobeno tim, ze v sobe nema potlaceny (nebo je otevrel)
prirozene reakce tela i duse na nevhodne prostredi. 
Konkretne si vzpomente na to, kdyz jste nastoupili do prace (nekteri :-))
Pokud zacnete travit 8 hodin na zidli v kancelari, prirozene vas zacnou
bolet
zada. Vy to "hrdine" prekonate a po nejakem case jiz nic neboli, je to snad
tim, ze mate pater zdravejsi ;-) ?
Abych to rekl uplne explicitne. Telo reagovalo bolesti na skodlive
prostredi,
casem vsak rezignovalo, bolest jako signal uz nemala vyznam.

Ctirad

> ----------
> Odesílatel:	Petr Novak[SMTP:petrnon@seznam.cz]
> Odpovědi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 12:07
> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Předmět: 	RE: Caj: RE: comeback
> 
>     Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco dalsiho,
> soude
> podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).
> 
> 	S pozdravem 
> 			Petr
> 
> At 09:41 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >>      jak tak ctu, muze byt povidani o ucincich piti caje (mate) tak
> >> dramaticke (spani na dva dny...), ze bych tomu snad ani 
> >> nechtel verit :-)).
> >> Ale proc hledat hned pricinu svych zdravotnich problemu prave jen v
> >> ucincich caje? 
> >
> >No, pokud si dam Mate Rancho, prijdu domu a totalne zatuhnu a mam
> problemy
> >dalsi dva dny se udrzet v praci v probuzenem stavu, v cem bys hledal
> duvod
> >ty?
> >BTW dovolim si nesouhlasit s oznacenim caj pro mate. Cesmina neni caj.
> >
> >	Galenius
> >
> >
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 10:53:14 1999
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Zdravim konferenci!

Podle meho nazoru se voda musi prevarit aby se odstranil v ni rozpusteny
vzduch a ostatni plynne slozky - jinak se na caji vytvori pena, ktera
nevypada zrovna esteticky a navic bublinky ruznych oxidu vytvari neco jako
"sampansky caj".

Ahojte
Martin

> ----------
> Od:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
> Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 10:19
> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Předmět: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> Omlouvam se, ale tomu trochu nerozumim. Na jedne strane se pise, ze voda
> na
> caj by se v zadnem pripade nemela prevarit, na druhou stranu ted zase
> nutnost ohrevu vody az k bodu varu, aby pak nasledne chladla. 
> Samozrejme pouzivam vodu filtrovanou, takze pritomnost bakterii je dost
> silne omezena, chlor (ktery se jinak odstranuje z vody delsim varem) tam
> temer neni (diky filtru) a dusicnany, ktere tam sice zustanou var stejne
> neznici (chapu ovsem, ze caj pripraveny zalitim vodou z prutokace patri do
> jine kategorie, z toho i me naskakuje husi kuze).  
> Mohl by mi prosim nekdo dat racionalni vysvetleni, proc vodu hnat az ke
> stovce? Pokud neexistuje vysvetleni racionalni a existuji jen argumenty,
> ze
> nejake tisicileti se to uz tak dela, pak by stalo za to udelat objektivni
> slepy test. Cajomilum by se daval k okostovani za zcela stejnych podminek
> uvareny caj, jen s tim rozdilem, ze jednou by se voda ohrala na 100 a pak
> ochladila rekneme na 70, podruhe by se jen ohrala na 70. Samozrejme, aby
> test mel vypovidaci hodnotu, musel by se udelat tak, aby cajomilove
> netusili, ktery caj je ktery a testu/testovacích znalcu by muselo být
> rozumné mnozství.
> Docela by me zajimaly vysledky. 
> 
> 			Mejte se
> 
> 					Jakub Serych
>  
> 
> -----Původní zpráva-----
> Od: Petr Novak [mailto:petrnon@seznam.cz]
> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 11:17
> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Předmět: RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> 	Zdravim cajomily,
> 
>      jak zde bylo v zaveru konstatovano, jsem i ja toho nazoru, ze je
> pouziti mikrovlnky k pouhemu ohrevu vody pro pripravu caje skutecne dost
> silny tabak. Proc se asi caj od doby, kdy se zacal pouzivat, zaleva horkou
> vodou, ovsem tou, ktera byla predtim ohrata na bod varu? 
> 
> 		S pozdravem 
> 				Petr
> 
> 
> At 07:07 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >Mikrovlnka? To je na mne trochu moc...
> >
> >Ctirad
> >
> >> ----------
> >> Odesílatel:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
> >> Odpovedi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> >> Odesláno: 	21. zárí 1999 14:00
> >> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> >> Predmet: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> >> 
> >> Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu ohrat
> >> uspesne
> >> nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby cekat na
> >> vychladnuti z bodu varu. Samozrejme je nutno v takovem pripade ohrivat
> >> neustale tentyz objem vody.
> >> 
> >> 				Jakub Serych
> >> 
> >> -----Puvodní zpráva-----
> >> Od: Severova@gytool.cz [mailto:Severova@gytool.cz]
> >> Odesláno: 21. zárí 1999 14:05
> >> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
> >> Predmet: Re: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici vodou, 
> >> tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
> >> druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted radeji 
> >> cekam.
> >>                                  SASA
> >> 
> >
> >
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 10:56:41 1999
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> Zdravim konferenci!
> 
> Podle meho nazoru se voda musi prevarit aby se odstranil v ni rozpusteny
> vzduch a ostatni plynne slozky - jinak se na caji vytvori pena, ktera
> nevypada zrovna esteticky a navic bublinky ruznych oxidu vytvari neco jako
> "sampansky caj".
> 
> Ahojte
> Martin
> 
> 	----------
> 	Od:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
> 	Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 10:19
> 	Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> 	Předmět: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 	Omlouvam se, ale tomu trochu nerozumim. Na jedne strane se pise, ze
> voda na
> 	caj by se v zadnem pripade nemela prevarit, na druhou stranu ted
> zase
> 	nutnost ohrevu vody az k bodu varu, aby pak nasledne chladla. 
> 	Samozrejme pouzivam vodu filtrovanou, takze pritomnost bakterii je
> dost
> 	silne omezena, chlor (ktery se jinak odstranuje z vody delsim varem)
> tam
> 	temer neni (diky filtru) a dusicnany, ktere tam sice zustanou var
> stejne
> 	neznici (chapu ovsem, ze caj pripraveny zalitim vodou z prutokace
> patri do
> 	jine kategorie, z toho i me naskakuje husi kuze).  
> 	Mohl by mi prosim nekdo dat racionalni vysvetleni, proc vodu hnat az
> ke
> 	stovce? Pokud neexistuje vysvetleni racionalni a existuji jen
> argumenty, ze
> 	nejake tisicileti se to uz tak dela, pak by stalo za to udelat
> objektivni
> 	slepy test. Cajomilum by se daval k okostovani za zcela stejnych
> podminek
> 	uvareny caj, jen s tim rozdilem, ze jednou by se voda ohrala na 100
> a pak
> 	ochladila rekneme na 70, podruhe by se jen ohrala na 70. Samozrejme,
> aby
> 	test mel vypovidaci hodnotu, musel by se udelat tak, aby cajomilove
> 	netusili, ktery caj je ktery a testu/testovacích znalcu by muselo
> být
> 	rozumné mnozství.
> 	Docela by me zajimaly vysledky. 
> 
> 				Mejte se
> 
> 						Jakub Serych
> 	 
> 
> 	-----Původní zpráva-----
> 	Od: Petr Novak [mailto:petrnon@seznam.cz]
> 	Odesláno: 22. září 1999 11:17
> 	Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
> 	Předmět: RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> 		Zdravim cajomily,
> 
> 	     jak zde bylo v zaveru konstatovano, jsem i ja toho nazoru, ze
> je
> 	pouziti mikrovlnky k pouhemu ohrevu vody pro pripravu caje skutecne
> dost
> 	silny tabak. Proc se asi caj od doby, kdy se zacal pouzivat, zaleva
> horkou
> 	vodou, ovsem tou, ktera byla predtim ohrata na bod varu? 
> 
> 			S pozdravem 
> 					Petr
> 
> 
> 	At 07:07 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
> 	>Mikrovlnka? To je na mne trochu moc...
> 	>
> 	>Ctirad
> 	>
> 	>> ----------
> 	>> Odesílatel:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
> 	>> Odpovedi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> 	>> Odesláno: 	21. zárí 1999 14:00
> 	>> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> 	>> Predmet: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 	>> 
> 	>> Pokud je k dispozici mikrovlnka, da se voda na urcitou teplotu
> ohrat
> 	>> uspesne
> 	>> nastavenim urciteho casu ohrevu (nutno vyzkouset) bez potreby
> cekat na
> 	>> vychladnuti z bodu varu. Samozrejme je nutno v takovem pripade
> ohrivat
> 	>> neustale tentyz objem vody.
> 	>> 
> 	>> 				Jakub Serych
> 	>> 
> 	>> -----Puvodní zpráva-----
> 	>> Od: Severova@gytool.cz [mailto:Severova@gytool.cz]
> 	>> Odesláno: 21. zárí 1999 14:05
> 	>> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
> 	>> Predmet: Re: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 	>> 
> 	>> 
> 	>> Tak s tim souhlasim, protoze pokud zaleju zeleny caj varici
> vodou, 
> 	>> tak je nejaky divny - chut mi nesedi. Uz jsem to zkousela u vice 
> 	>> druhu, protoze me nebavilo cekat na vychlazeni vody. A tak ted
> radeji 
> 	>> cekam.
> 	>>                                  SASA
> 	>> 
> 	>
> 	>
> 
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 10:59:31 1999
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Sice to sem nepatri, ale musim to semka napsat. Moje prvni seznameni s =20
kafem bylo takove, ze jsem od kamaradky z baru na diskotece dostal 2 =20
kafe (malej koflik a do 70% naplnenej kafem a pak zalitej vrelou vodou) =
=20
rychle za sebou. 2 DNY SEM NESPAL !!! a proto uz nedam na caj dopustit, =
=20
je proste to, co potrebuju, naladi pohodu, pokoj a klid. =20

Peta
=2D----P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va-----
Od: LToman =20
Odesl=E1no: 22. z=E1=F8=ED 1999 10:12
Komu: caj
Kopie: LToman
P=F8edm=ECt: RE: Caj: RE: comeback


>     Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco =20
> dalsiho, soude
> podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).
> =20
>  S pozdravem =20
>    Petr

To si dovolim nesouhlasit. Zdravi slusne... Jen patrim k lidem, ktere =20
kafe a
podobne napoje (coz je nejspise i mate) uspava.

Galenius

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Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
vody a caje, ne? SASA

> 
> 
> Preju krasneho dne vsem cajomilum,
> i kdyz jsem uplnym novackem na teto Vasi konferenci a tudiz bych se mel pouze
> rozkoukavat, dovolim si prilozit  i ja, takove male diskuzni polenko. A to
> Mikrovlnka a caj. Chapu sice, ze v dnesni pretechnizovane dobne, se vsichni
> snazi nacpat moderni stroje a pristroje kamkoliv a pouzit je k cemukoliv, ale
> mikrovlnaka a caj? Jiz jen poha predstava, ze nastupcem obcas i slozitych
> "cajovych ritualu" je zaklapnuti dvirek, stisknuti knofliku a "cink" ? Mam pocit
> ze jde tak trochu o svatokrades toho, cim k nam caj promlouva. Takze se plne
> priklanim na stranu Petra.
>                                    Jirka
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Caji zdar,
jak vidim ignorovali jste muj prispevek o krysach :-), tak teda z jinyho
soudku. Kdyz uz se tu muze rozebirat Galeniovo ci ci zdravi, tak si zase
dovolim navazet se do DC. V dobach kdy jsem si jeste zamoroval byt vonnymi
tycinkami, nejlepe mi vonely "Vonne tyce Dalava, toliko pro Dobre Cajovny
dovezene". Staly tusim 27,- Kc a bylo jich tam asi 20ks. Jake bylo me
prekvapeni kdyz jsem na naprosto stejne tycinky narazil ve velkoobchode. V
tom opravdu originalnim baleni jich je asi 400 a stoji to ke stovce. Takze
muj typ na snadny vydelek: kup ten balik, rozdel ho na mensi balicky po 20ks
nech si natisknout poutavy lyricky letacek ... cisty zisk okolo 400,- za
jeden upravenej balik! Nebo je prodavej po koruně! :-)
No nic, to se caje netyka. Zajimalo by me co rikate letosnimu Darjeelingu?
Dostal jsem od kamarada k narozkam Genmaichu michanou s Matchou, zajimave,
zkuste to.

V Kristu Milan
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Koukni se na stranku o caji:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/caj/caj.html
nebo o umeni:
http://www.mujweb.cz/www/artpoetry/index.htm
-AdHOnoreJesus!-
-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Hájek Ctirad <HajekC@hob.cz>
Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz' <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Datum: 22. září 1999 10:43
Předmět: RE: Caj: RE: comeback


>S timto nazorem nemohu plne souhlasit. Vetsi cilivost napr. na toxiny
>nebo jine skodlive latky neznamena horsi zdravotni stav.
>Konkretne, nekomu se udela spatne ze vzduchu v hospode, z hluku, ktery tam
>panuje, je to zpusobeno tim, ze v sobe nema potlaceny (nebo je otevrel)
>prirozene reakce tela i duse na nevhodne prostredi.
>Konkretne si vzpomente na to, kdyz jste nastoupili do prace (nekteri :-))
>Pokud zacnete travit 8 hodin na zidli v kancelari, prirozene vas zacnou
>bolet
>zada. Vy to "hrdine" prekonate a po nejakem case jiz nic neboli, je to snad
>tim, ze mate pater zdravejsi ;-) ?
>Abych to rekl uplne explicitne. Telo reagovalo bolesti na skodlive
>prostredi,
>casem vsak rezignovalo, bolest jako signal uz nemala vyznam.
>
>Ctirad
>
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>> Odpovědi: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:07
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>> Předmět: RE: Caj: RE: comeback
>>
>>     Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco dalsiho,
>> soude
>> podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).
>>
>> S pozdravem
>> Petr
>>
>> At 09:41 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>> >>      jak tak ctu, muze byt povidani o ucincich piti caje (mate) tak
>> >> dramaticke (spani na dva dny...), ze bych tomu snad ani
>> >> nechtel verit :-)).
>> >> Ale proc hledat hned pricinu svych zdravotnich problemu prave jen v
>> >> ucincich caje?
>> >
>> >No, pokud si dam Mate Rancho, prijdu domu a totalne zatuhnu a mam
>> problemy
>> >dalsi dva dny se udrzet v praci v probuzenem stavu, v cem bys hledal
>> duvod
>> >ty?
>> >BTW dovolim si nesouhlasit s oznacenim caj pro mate. Cesmina neni caj.
>> >
>> > Galenius
>> >
>> >
>>


>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 11:52:32 1999
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> Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
> jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
> neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
> vody a caje, ne? SASA

Domnivam se, ze hlavne se tu neodsuzuje uvareni vody v mikrovlnce, ale
OHRATI vody v mikrovlnce. 

	Galenius

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Fyzik by asi lepe dokazl vysvetlit rozdil.
Strucne receno, VELMI zalezi na zpusobu ohrevu (nebo chlazeni), ovlivni
se tim totiz struktura a tedy i chut vody (zeleza - to vi asi kazdy).
Proto je podstatny rozdil ve vode ohrate na ohni (treba plynovem) nebo
zarenim mikrovlne trouby.
A jestre jedna DULEZITA vec. Vetsina cajomilcu to jiste potvrdi. Piti caje
obohacuje cloveka nejen o chutovy pozitek a doplneni tekutin a ruznych latek
jako tanin atd. Jde vsak nadmiru o zalezitost hlubsi odehravajici se na
urovni
podstaty ci esence. Caj prinasi klid a ztiseni, ...
Vetsina lidi pozna rozdil mezi jidlem od maminky ci manzelky, ktere je
pripraveno s laskou, a jidlem stejne kvalitnim od anonymniho kuchare.

Myslim, ze lepe by to vyjadril Tom Bent, ktereho timto zdravim.

Ctirad

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> 
> Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
> jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
> neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
> vody a caje, ne? SASA
> 
> 

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Nic proti okultnim vedam. Pokud se budu pohybovat v jejich rovine, pak muzu
na Vas mail reagovat v teto rovine, a mozna ze neco vymyslime. Pokud ovsem
chci zustat v realnem svete, pak je nutne si pripomenout, ze zelezo bezne
nejim a tudiz nemohu porovnat chuti ruzne zchladleho zeleza, tedy zeleza s
ruznou krystalickou strukturou. Mimochodem i u toho zeleza absolutne
nezalezi na fyzikalni podstate zdroje tepla pri ohrevu (plyn, mikrovlny
atd.), ale pouze na prubehu teploty pri ohrevu a chlazeni. 
Oproti zelezu, ktere bych zrejme jedl ve stavu krystalickem, protoze v
tekutem by mi tak trochu sezehlo vnitrnosti, vodu piju ve stavu kapalnem, ve
kterem neni o nejake strukture vubec rec.
Jedine s cim lze souhlasit je to, ze vskutku budu mit z caje uplne jiny
pozitek, kdyz na nej budu mit dve hodiny, kdy si nejprve pripravim ohniste,
pak zajdu s nadhernou nekolik stoleti starou konvickou do lesni studanku pro
vodu, pak vodu na ohnisti v klidu a v pokoji ohreju, zaleju caj a dalsi
hodinu ho budu vychutnavat koukajic pri tom do plamenu onoho ohniste, nez
kdyz, odpustte ten vyraz, prdnu hrnek do mikrovlnky, vodu bezmyslenkovite
splouchnu na par jakychsi oschlych listku a pak to cele zhltnu obouvaje si
boty, protoze prave pred peti minutami jsem mel kdesi byt.
Priklady byly sice asi dost extremni, ale zivot dost casto prinese i docela
uspechane chvile, ktere presto chci prozit se salkem kvalitniho caje. Pak mi
nezbyva, nez vyuzit modernich prostredku, o kterych si, znovu opakuji,
myslim, ze jeho kvalite, pri zachovani jistych pravidel pripravy, neublizi.
Mozna by stalo za to nekdy zorganizovat nejaky ten slepy test. 
A jeste k poslednimu odstavci. Stejne kvalitni jidlo muze pripravit jedine
kuchar, ktery ho pripravuje se stejnou laskou, jako maminka nebo manzelka. A
verte mi, nekolik takovych znam.

		Mejte se

				Jakub Serych  

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Hájek Ctirad [mailto:HajekC@hob.cz]
Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:07
Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz'
Předmět: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava


Fyzik by asi lepe dokazl vysvetlit rozdil.
Strucne receno, VELMI zalezi na zpusobu ohrevu (nebo chlazeni), ovlivni
se tim totiz struktura a tedy i chut vody (zeleza - to vi asi kazdy).
Proto je podstatny rozdil ve vode ohrate na ohni (treba plynovem) nebo
zarenim mikrovlne trouby.
A jestre jedna DULEZITA vec. Vetsina cajomilcu to jiste potvrdi. Piti caje
obohacuje cloveka nejen o chutovy pozitek a doplneni tekutin a ruznych latek
jako tanin atd. Jde vsak nadmiru o zalezitost hlubsi odehravajici se na
urovni
podstaty ci esence. Caj prinasi klid a ztiseni, ...
Vetsina lidi pozna rozdil mezi jidlem od maminky ci manzelky, ktere je
pripraveno s laskou, a jidlem stejne kvalitnim od anonymniho kuchare.

Myslim, ze lepe by to vyjadril Tom Bent, ktereho timto zdravim.

Ctirad

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> 
> Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
> jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
> neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
> vody a caje, ne? SASA
> 
> 

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Severova@gytool.cz wrote:
> 
> Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad
> jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc
> neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite
> vody a caje, ne? SASA
> 

Racionalne vzato je to naprosto jedno. Proste ohrejete vodu.
Ale stejne se nemuzu ubranit pocitu, ze se s tou vodou deje 
pokazde neco jineho a ze jinak chutna... 

Kdyz to dovedu do krajnosti: na nektere zelene, treba gjokuro,
se doporucuje voda kolem 60-70 stupnu. Takze pijme gjokuro 
a muzeme zapomenout na ohen, konvice a mikrovlnky. Vzdyt takova
karma nebo bojler umi namichat prave takove teploty!
Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.

	Pavel Baxa

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Pavel Baxa           baxa@kiv.zcu.cz
http://www-kiv.zcu.cz/~baxa/caj.html
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> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.

Pockej na me, jdu taky...

	Galenius

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Obavam se, ze to je omyl. Kdyz slapnu do asfaltu, tak podle Vas nezmenim
strukturu? Protoze asfalt je tekutina?
Jak potom vysvetlite to, ze tam uvidim stopu - zmenou chemickeho slozeni :-)
Proste se to da nazvat pametovy efekt, a funguje i pro vodu.

Ostatne si myslim, ze Tygri oci jsou vynikajici.

Ctirad

> , vodu piju ve stavu kapalnem, ve
> kterem neni o nejake strukture vubec rec.
> 
> 		Mejte se
> 
> 				Jakub Serych  
> 
> -----Původní zpráva-----
> Od: Hájek Ctirad [mailto:HajekC@hob.cz]
> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:07
> Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz'
> Předmět: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> Fyzik by asi lepe dokazl vysvetlit rozdil.
> Strucne receno, VELMI zalezi na zpusobu ohrevu (nebo chlazeni), ovlivni
> se tim totiz struktura a tedy i chut vody (zeleza - to vi asi kazdy).
> Proto je podstatny rozdil ve vode ohrate na ohni (treba plynovem) nebo
> zarenim mikrovlne trouby.
> A jestre jedna DULEZITA vec. Vetsina cajomilcu to jiste potvrdi. Piti caje
> obohacuje cloveka nejen o chutovy pozitek a doplneni tekutin a ruznych
> latek
> jako tanin atd. Jde vsak nadmiru o zalezitost hlubsi odehravajici se na
> urovni
> podstaty ci esence. Caj prinasi klid a ztiseni, ...
> Vetsina lidi pozna rozdil mezi jidlem od maminky ci manzelky, ktere je
> pripraveno s laskou, a jidlem stejne kvalitnim od anonymniho kuchare.
> 
> Myslim, ze lepe by to vyjadril Tom Bent, ktereho timto zdravim.
> 
> Ctirad
> 
> > ----------
> > Odesílatel:	Severova@gytool.cz[SMTP:Severova@gytool.cz]
> > Odpovědi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> > Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 12:13
> > Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> > Předmět: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> > 
> > Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
> > jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
> > neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
> > vody a caje, ne? SASA
> > 
> > 
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 14:05:48 1999
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Moje rec,
je mnoho cest jak si udelat kvalitni caj. Kvalita caje tkvi v nem samotnem,
ve vode pouzite pri jeho priprave a spravnosti pripravy. Zbytek tvori
atmosfera, ktera ale z pigi caje neudela Nepal Fikkal Ilam. K atmosfere muze
patrit i jakasi "alchymie pripravy" kterou mam rad, ale neni nebytna v
priprave kvalitniho caje. Mne osobne na mikrovlnce taky cosi nesedi, ale
nezavrhoval bych ji. Podle mne nezalezi na tom jak vodu ohrejem, ale v cem
(esus od polivky na ohni z boroveho drivi X sklenena konvicka v mikrovlnce).
S tim zelezem jsem to taky nepochopil. Spis chapu ze existuje voda (napr.
zelezita) z ktery dobry caj neudelas jmenovite Saratice, voda na
Olomouckejch kolejich, ze studny v Jiznich Cechach, z ricky Desne atd. :-)
V Kristu Milan

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Serych@panska.cz <Serych@panska.cz>
Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Datum: 22. září 1999 13:07
Předmět: RE: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava


>Nic proti okultnim vedam. Pokud se budu pohybovat v jejich rovine, pak muzu
>na Vas mail reagovat v teto rovine, a mozna ze neco vymyslime. Pokud ovsem
>chci zustat v realnem svete, pak je nutne si pripomenout, ze zelezo bezne
>nejim a tudiz nemohu porovnat chuti ruzne zchladleho zeleza, tedy zeleza s
>ruznou krystalickou strukturou. Mimochodem i u toho zeleza absolutne
>nezalezi na fyzikalni podstate zdroje tepla pri ohrevu (plyn, mikrovlny
>atd.), ale pouze na prubehu teploty pri ohrevu a chlazeni.
>Oproti zelezu, ktere bych zrejme jedl ve stavu krystalickem, protoze v
>tekutem by mi tak trochu sezehlo vnitrnosti, vodu piju ve stavu kapalnem,
ve
>kterem neni o nejake strukture vubec rec.
>Jedine s cim lze souhlasit je to, ze vskutku budu mit z caje uplne jiny
>pozitek, kdyz na nej budu mit dve hodiny, kdy si nejprve pripravim ohniste,
>pak zajdu s nadhernou nekolik stoleti starou konvickou do lesni studanku
pro
>vodu, pak vodu na ohnisti v klidu a v pokoji ohreju, zaleju caj a dalsi
>hodinu ho budu vychutnavat koukajic pri tom do plamenu onoho ohniste, nez
>kdyz, odpustte ten vyraz, prdnu hrnek do mikrovlnky, vodu bezmyslenkovite
>splouchnu na par jakychsi oschlych listku a pak to cele zhltnu obouvaje si
>boty, protoze prave pred peti minutami jsem mel kdesi byt.
>Priklady byly sice asi dost extremni, ale zivot dost casto prinese i docela
>uspechane chvile, ktere presto chci prozit se salkem kvalitniho caje. Pak
mi
>nezbyva, nez vyuzit modernich prostredku, o kterych si, znovu opakuji,
>myslim, ze jeho kvalite, pri zachovani jistych pravidel pripravy, neublizi.
>Mozna by stalo za to nekdy zorganizovat nejaky ten slepy test.
>A jeste k poslednimu odstavci. Stejne kvalitni jidlo muze pripravit jedine
>kuchar, ktery ho pripravuje se stejnou laskou, jako maminka nebo manzelka.
A
>verte mi, nekolik takovych znam.
>
> Mejte se
>
> Jakub Serych
>
>-----Původní zpráva-----
>Od: Hájek Ctirad [mailto:HajekC@hob.cz]
>Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:07
>Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz'
>Předmět: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
>
>
>Fyzik by asi lepe dokazl vysvetlit rozdil.
>Strucne receno, VELMI zalezi na zpusobu ohrevu (nebo chlazeni), ovlivni
>se tim totiz struktura a tedy i chut vody (zeleza - to vi asi kazdy).
>Proto je podstatny rozdil ve vode ohrate na ohni (treba plynovem) nebo
>zarenim mikrovlne trouby.
>A jestre jedna DULEZITA vec. Vetsina cajomilcu to jiste potvrdi. Piti caje
>obohacuje cloveka nejen o chutovy pozitek a doplneni tekutin a ruznych
latek
>jako tanin atd. Jde vsak nadmiru o zalezitost hlubsi odehravajici se na
>urovni
>podstaty ci esence. Caj prinasi klid a ztiseni, ...
>Vetsina lidi pozna rozdil mezi jidlem od maminky ci manzelky, ktere je
>pripraveno s laskou, a jidlem stejne kvalitnim od anonymniho kuchare.
>
>Myslim, ze lepe by to vyjadril Tom Bent, ktereho timto zdravim.
>
>Ctirad
>
>> ----------
>> Odesílatel: Severova@gytool.cz[SMTP:Severova@gytool.cz]
>> Odpovědi: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:13
>> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>> Předmět: RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
>>
>> Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad
>> jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc
>> neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite
>> vody a caje, ne? SASA
>>
>>


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O.K. Dobrou chut!
Ja jdu za Pavlem Baxou a Galeniem, treba tam bude misto :-)

Ctirad

> ----------
> Odesílatel:	Serych@panska.cz[SMTP:Serych@panska.cz]
> Odpovědi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 13:03
> Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Předmět: 	RE: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> Nic proti okultnim vedam. Pokud se budu pohybovat v jejich rovine, pak
> muzu
> na Vas mail reagovat v teto rovine, a mozna ze neco vymyslime. Pokud ovsem
> chci zustat v realnem svete, pak je nutne si pripomenout, ze zelezo bezne
> nejim a tudiz nemohu porovnat chuti ruzne zchladleho zeleza, tedy zeleza s
> ruznou krystalickou strukturou. Mimochodem i u toho zeleza absolutne
> nezalezi na fyzikalni podstate zdroje tepla pri ohrevu (plyn, mikrovlny
> atd.), ale pouze na prubehu teploty pri ohrevu a chlazeni. 
> Oproti zelezu, ktere bych zrejme jedl ve stavu krystalickem, protoze v
> tekutem by mi tak trochu sezehlo vnitrnosti, vodu piju ve stavu kapalnem,
> ve
> kterem neni o nejake strukture vubec rec.
> Jedine s cim lze souhlasit je to, ze vskutku budu mit z caje uplne jiny
> pozitek, kdyz na nej budu mit dve hodiny, kdy si nejprve pripravim
> ohniste,
> pak zajdu s nadhernou nekolik stoleti starou konvickou do lesni studanku
> pro
> vodu, pak vodu na ohnisti v klidu a v pokoji ohreju, zaleju caj a dalsi
> hodinu ho budu vychutnavat koukajic pri tom do plamenu onoho ohniste, nez
> kdyz, odpustte ten vyraz, prdnu hrnek do mikrovlnky, vodu bezmyslenkovite
> splouchnu na par jakychsi oschlych listku a pak to cele zhltnu obouvaje si
> boty, protoze prave pred peti minutami jsem mel kdesi byt.
> Priklady byly sice asi dost extremni, ale zivot dost casto prinese i
> docela
> uspechane chvile, ktere presto chci prozit se salkem kvalitniho caje. Pak
> mi
> nezbyva, nez vyuzit modernich prostredku, o kterych si, znovu opakuji,
> myslim, ze jeho kvalite, pri zachovani jistych pravidel pripravy,
> neublizi.
> Mozna by stalo za to nekdy zorganizovat nejaky ten slepy test. 
> A jeste k poslednimu odstavci. Stejne kvalitni jidlo muze pripravit jedine
> kuchar, ktery ho pripravuje se stejnou laskou, jako maminka nebo manzelka.
> A
> verte mi, nekolik takovych znam.
> 
> 		Mejte se
> 
> 				Jakub Serych  
> 
> 

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>> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
>> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
>> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.
>
>Pockej na me, jdu taky...


Prosil bych pany az se vybl...  vratej, aby mi osvetlili rozdil mezi =
plynovou karmou a plynovym sporakem a mezi prutokovym ohrivacem a =
rychlovarnou konvici (krome toho ze prvne jmenovane spotrebice obvykle =
visi na zdi :-)). Jestli si varite vodu na kamnech a hlidate kdy ma 70C, =
tak si vezmu Kinedril. Pokud ji nechate prevarit a pak cekate az =
zchladne pak nemam namitek a narceni z pokrytectvi neni na miste.:-)=20
V Kristu Milan


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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 14:21:23 1999
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	Cajomilove, zdravim vas,

     vidím, ^Ţe celkem nevinne tema vyvolalo dost sirokou odezvu. Zdrzim se
rezolutnich stanovisek a dam jen k uvaze hypotetickou situaci a jsem
zvedav, co mi kdo odpovi. Stane se napriklad, ze si pripravite caj z vody,
ktera prosla varem, ale ouha, on je ten caj moc horky a tak ho rychle
vylepsite patricnou davkou chladne vody te nejlepsi kvality. Jste
presvedceni o tom, ze bude bude mit pote chut zcela stejnou a bude jen
chladnejsi?

		S pozdravem
				Petr


At 13:37 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
>> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
>> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.
>
>Pockej na me, jdu taky...
>
>	Galenius


	S pozdravem
	 Petr Novak

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LToman@zivpo.cz wrote:
> >     Ve sve zdravotni dispozici. Tady neni asi v poradku neco 
> > dalsiho, soude
> > podle mohutnosti odezvy :-)).
> > 
> > 	S pozdravem 
> > 			Petr
> 
> To si dovolim nesouhlasit. Zdravi slusne... Jen patrim k lidem, ktere kafe
a
> podobne napoje (coz je nejspise i mate) uspava.
> 
> Galenius

V tom pripade je proste chyba v Galeniovi a ne v mate. Mne teda mate vzhdycky
uzasne osvezi. Omluvte mne, milci cistoty napoju, ale takovy Mate Rancho
Amigo... Uz abych dostal pebnize za praxi a mohl si poridit vlastni
soupravku!
A nazyvat mate cajem - zalezi jen na mire tolerance. Bylinkace ci ovocnaky se
take nazyvaji caji, ackoliv s cajem nemaji nic spolecneho. Domnivam se, ze
vetsina zdejsich hovoru se vede na tak vysoke a detailni urovni, ze slovo CAJ
se zde pouziva v nejsirsi obecnosti, a tudiz ze by mohlo zahrnovat i mate.


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plynova karma - zarizeni visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat protekajici
vodu plamenem jen do urcite teploty
plynovy sporak - zarizeni, stojici u zdi, ktere je schopne plamenem privest
vodu v hrnci k varu
prutokovy ohrivac - zarizeni, visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat vodu
za pomoci topne spiraly jen do urcite teploty
rychlovarna konvice - zarizeni, stojici obvykle na stole, ktere je shopne
topnou spiralou privest vodu k varu
 
To je duvod, proc se nepouziva ohrivace ci karmy. Zkusil sis nekdy natocit
horkou vodu a kostnout? chutna otresne. Voda, ktera projde varem a pak
zchladne na stejnou teplotu chutna o trochu lip.
Takze  ja vodu privedu k varu (a nejspise i ostatni) a pak ji nechavam
zchladnout na pozadovanou teplotu. Dle jistych pramenu jsem slysel, ze je
lepsi vodu privest k varu 2x, ale toto povazuju za neoverene.
Tudiz nehlidam az dosahne 70 °C, ale cekam az zchladne na 70°C.
 
Galenius
 



>> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
>> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
>> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.
>
>Pockej na me, jdu taky...

 
Prosil bych pany az se vybl...  vratej, aby mi osvetlili rozdil mezi
plynovou karmou a plynovym sporakem a mezi prutokovym ohrivacem a
rychlovarnou konvici (krome toho ze prvne jmenovane spotrebice obvykle visi
na zdi :-)). Jestli si varite vodu na kamnech a hlidate kdy ma 70C, tak si
vezmu Kinedril. Pokud ji nechate prevarit a pak cekate az zchladne pak nemam
namitek a narceni z pokrytectvi neni na miste.:-) 
V Kristu Milan
 


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>      vidím, ze celkem nevinne tema vyvolalo dost sirokou 
> odezvu. Zdrzim se
> rezolutnich stanovisek a dam jen k uvaze hypotetickou situaci a jsem
> zvedav, co mi kdo odpovi. Stane se napriklad, ze si 
> pripravite caj z vody,
> ktera prosla varem, ale ouha, on je ten caj moc horky a tak ho rychle
> vylepsite patricnou davkou chladne vody te nejlepsi kvality. Jste
> presvedceni o tom, ze bude bude mit pote chut zcela stejnou a bude jen
> chladnejsi?

Hm... zajimave... No, pokud bych zalil omylem caj vodou, ktera je prilis
tepla, tak bych si asi jen povzdechl, ze jsem mamlas a vypil to teple.
Rozhodne bych vodu nezchlazoval studenou. 

Galenius

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> V tom pripade je proste chyba v Galeniovi a ne v mate. Mne 
> teda mate vzhdycky
> uzasne osvezi. Omluvte mne, milci cistoty napoju, ale takovy 
> Mate Rancho
> Amigo... Uz abych dostal pebnize za praxi a mohl si poridit vlastni
> soupravku!
> A nazyvat mate cajem - zalezi jen na mire tolerance. 
> Bylinkace ci ovocnaky se
> take nazyvaji caji, ackoliv s cajem nemaji nic spolecneho. 
> Domnivam se, ze
> vetsina zdejsich hovoru se vede na tak vysoke a detailni 
> urovni, ze slovo CAJ
> se zde pouziva v nejsirsi obecnosti, a tudiz ze by mohlo 
> zahrnovat i mate.

Pokud te mate osvezi, tak budiz ti slava. Presto neni chyba jen ve me, nebot
znam nekolik lidi, kteri pijou kafe ci mate aby rychleji usnuli.

	Galenius

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     Ale to je odpoved ponekud vyhybava a tedy celkem od veci. 
     Coz namisto hypotezy prejit primo k praktickemu pokusu? Ja jsem k tomu
zatim nenasel 1. prilezitost, 2. chut a 3.odvahu takto kazit caj.

		S pozdravem
				Petr


At 14:28 22.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>>      vidím, ze celkem nevinne tema vyvolalo dost sirokou 
>> odezvu. Zdrzim se
>> rezolutnich stanovisek a dam jen k uvaze hypotetickou situaci a jsem
>> zvedav, co mi kdo odpovi...

>>  Jste presvedceni o tom, ze bude bude mit pote chut zcela stejnou a bude
jen
>> chladnejsi?
>
>Hm... zajimave... No, pokud bych zalil omylem caj vodou, ktera je prilis
>tepla, tak bych si asi jen povzdechl, ze jsem mamlas a vypil to teple.
>Rozhodne bych vodu nezchlazoval studenou. 
>
>Galenius
>
>

	S pozdravem
	 Petr Novak

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Hlavni duvod, proc se na ohrev pitne vody obecne (nejen na pripravu caje)
zasadne nemaji pouzivat prutokace je ten, ze v nich jsou zpravidla medene
trubky, ktere zdravi cloveka moc nepridaji. Dalsi duvod pachuti vody z
ohrivace (a s tou naprosto souhlasim) je chlor, o kterem jsem jiz mluvil.
Ten z vody vyprcha az po chvilce varu. Kdyz ovsem chlor odstranite filtrem a
nedate vodu ohrivat do medenych trubek, neni podle me duvod, proc by se
musela prevaret a pak chladit. 

				Jakub Serych

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plynova karma - zarizeni visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat protekajici
vodu plamenem jen do urcite teploty
plynovy sporak - zarizeni, stojici u zdi, ktere je schopne plamenem privest
vodu v hrnci k varu
prutokovy ohrivac - zarizeni, visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat vodu
za pomoci topne spiraly jen do urcite teploty
rychlovarna konvice - zarizeni, stojici obvykle na stole, ktere je shopne
topnou spiralou privest vodu k varu
 
To je duvod, proc se nepouziva ohrivace ci karmy. Zkusil sis nekdy natocit
horkou vodu a kostnout? chutna otresne. Voda, ktera projde varem a pak
zchladne na stejnou teplotu chutna o trochu lip.
Takze  ja vodu privedu k varu (a nejspise i ostatni) a pak ji nechavam
zchladnout na pozadovanou teplotu. Dle jistych pramenu jsem slysel, ze je
lepsi vodu privest k varu 2x, ale toto povazuju za neoverene.
Tudiz nehlidam az dosahne 70 °C, ale cekam az zchladne na 70°C.
 
Galenius
 



>> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
>> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
>> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.
>
>Pockej na me, jdu taky...

 
Prosil bych pany az se vybl...  vratej, aby mi osvetlili rozdil mezi
plynovou karmou a plynovym sporakem a mezi prutokovym ohrivacem a
rychlovarnou konvici (krome toho ze prvne jmenovane spotrebice obvykle visi
na zdi :-)). Jestli si varite vodu na kamnech a hlidate kdy ma 70C, tak si
vezmu Kinedril. Pokud ji nechate prevarit a pak cekate az zchladne pak nemam
namitek a narceni z pokrytectvi neni na miste.:-) 
V Kristu Milan
 

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Ano, asfalt si stopu pamatuje pri rekneme 50°C tak pul hodiny. Voda si
ponoreni lzicky pamatuje zlomek vteriny. Pak obe dve tekutiny gravitace
presvedci o tom, ze maji byt vodorovne.

			Jakub Serych

-----Původní zpráva-----
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Odesláno: 22. září 1999 14:03
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Předmět: RE: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava


Obavam se, ze to je omyl. Kdyz slapnu do asfaltu, tak podle Vas nezmenim
strukturu? Protoze asfalt je tekutina?
Jak potom vysvetlite to, ze tam uvidim stopu - zmenou chemickeho slozeni :-)
Proste se to da nazvat pametovy efekt, a funguje i pro vodu.

Ostatne si myslim, ze Tygri oci jsou vynikajici.

Ctirad

> , vodu piju ve stavu kapalnem, ve
> kterem neni o nejake strukture vubec rec.
> 
> 		Mejte se
> 
> 				Jakub Serych  
> 
> -----Původní zpráva-----
> Od: Hájek Ctirad [mailto:HajekC@hob.cz]
> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 12:07
> Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz'
> Předmět: podstata RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> Fyzik by asi lepe dokazl vysvetlit rozdil.
> Strucne receno, VELMI zalezi na zpusobu ohrevu (nebo chlazeni), ovlivni
> se tim totiz struktura a tedy i chut vody (zeleza - to vi asi kazdy).
> Proto je podstatny rozdil ve vode ohrate na ohni (treba plynovem) nebo
> zarenim mikrovlne trouby.
> A jestre jedna DULEZITA vec. Vetsina cajomilcu to jiste potvrdi. Piti caje
> obohacuje cloveka nejen o chutovy pozitek a doplneni tekutin a ruznych
> latek
> jako tanin atd. Jde vsak nadmiru o zalezitost hlubsi odehravajici se na
> urovni
> podstaty ci esence. Caj prinasi klid a ztiseni, ...
> Vetsina lidi pozna rozdil mezi jidlem od maminky ci manzelky, ktere je
> pripraveno s laskou, a jidlem stejne kvalitnim od anonymniho kuchare.
> 
> Myslim, ze lepe by to vyjadril Tom Bent, ktereho timto zdravim.
> 
> Ctirad
> 
> > ----------
> > Odesílatel:	Severova@gytool.cz[SMTP:Severova@gytool.cz]
> > Odpovědi: 	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> > Odesláno: 	22. září 1999 12:13
> > Komu:	caj@dione.zcu.cz
> > Předmět: 	RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> > 
> > Moc se mi nechtelo do te diskuse zasahovat, ale te vode je snad 
> > jedno, jestli se uvari rychle v mikrovlnce, ve varne konvici(proc 
> > neodsuzujete tu?) nebo na ohni (plyn, taborak). Zalezi na kvalite 
> > vody a caje, ne? SASA
> > 
> > 
> 

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From: "=?iso-8859-2?Q?Milan_=C8ervenka?=" <cervenka@plemdat.czn.cz>
To: <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
Subject: Caj: Re: podstata :-)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:25:23 +0200
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Navod na homeopaticky caj Stopa vodního démona:
Udelame si Vodni vilu, pulku vylejem do kanalu a doplnime destilovanou vodou
(o 70C). Delame to tak pul roku obcas u toho pronesem nejakou zarikavaci
formuli a protrepeme vodorovne (ne svisle). Tim ziskame skvely homeopaticky
caj s nesmazatelne vrytym otiskem (jako v asfaltu, kterej za chvili odtece a
stopa je v cudu). Poradim vam ale levnejsi a lacinejsi zpusob. Naber si
destovou vodu a vychutnej si otisky vsech atomu sveta. Neni treba shanet
lavu z Hekly, svetovy kolobeh vody to udelal za nas.
Za vsechny vedecke fundamentalisty a netolerantni nabozenske fanatiky

Milan
pro zvidave jsem ve svem archivu vyhledal clanek ktery loni psal jeden muj
pritel do nejakeho casopisu
prikladam

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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 16:23:15 1999
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Chemik pravil, ze horka voda vonne silice znici celkem spolehlive.
Tolik veda.
Radim





> > Ahoj cajomilci,
> > rozpravala som sa s odbornikom na pripravu cajov na Slovensku. Hovoril,
> ze
> > zelene caje,ktore su menej kvalitne (jednonalevove) pripravuje zaliatim
> > vriacou vodou - aby sa vsetko uvolnilo z caju naraz. Nesuhlasim s tymto
> > nazorom, pretoze som citala, ze vriaca voda znici okrem ineho aj vonne
> > silice v caji, prave tie, ktore davaju zelenemu caju dobru chut a vonu.
> Aj
> > zo skusenosti viem, ze mi viac chuti napr. Chun Mee, ked ho nezalejem
> > vriacou vodou. Aky je vas nazor?
> > Zuzana
> > 
> > 
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 17:25:50 1999
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Subject: Caj: voda a jine pitomosti
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Jak to tak vidim, bude muset svetova veda rici sve slovo!

Lze oznacit Mate jako caj?
	Lze, ale je to asi stejne presne, jako oznaceni prostredku na myti
nadobi Jar, nebo vysavace Lux. Etmologie slova jasne rika, ze se jedna o
napoj z listu cajovniku - v podstate je to detail (ja osobne to nemam rad).

Ma voda strukturu?
	Kazdy, kdo mel neco spolecneho s fyzikou vi, ze ma. Kde jinde by se
asi vzalo povrchove napeti, he? Jestli se ale muze menit zpusobem ohrevu
nevim. Pokud ovsem neco strukturu nicit bude, pak jsou to zarucene mikrovlny

Ma se voda na caj prevarovat?
	Vzdy jsem se domnival, ze hlavnim problemem, ktery se varem
odstrani, jsou uhlicitany (nekdo dokonce tvrdil, ze filtry je odstranit
nedokazou), dalsi tu navrhoval ruzne plyny (napriklad ten vas chlor). Shrnu
to - neprevarena, kratce prevarena a dlouho varena voda neni totez. Tohle
vim z vlastni zkusenosti, protoze vodu obcas zapomenu na sporaku a takovato
voda neni to prave orechove, lepsi je vyckat na perlicky (jak poradila
sousedka, priznivkyne senchi). Zkousel jsem to uspechat, ale ani to neni
ono. V Tibetu se voda neprevaruje, ani to jaksi nejde.

obsahuje pitna voda chlor?
	Nejaky ano, ale moc ho neni, navic je silne tekavy (jinak byste ho
stezi mohli ucitit) a voda privedena k varu ho obsahuje leda stopy. To, co
zpusobuje nejcasteji ruzne pachute jsou dusicnany, sirany a zelezo. Ja
pouzivam prazskou vodovodni vodu a mam s ni nejlepsi zkusenosti (lepsi nez
Dobra voda), je pouze trochu nevyrovnana. Ten chlor najdete tak leda ve
vodarne a v bazenu v Podoli (tam je ho opravdu hodne). Nicmene nejlepsi voda
na caj (v tom se snad schodneme) je tygri pramen v Yunnanskych horach,
popripade ze dvou mist kdesi uprostred stredniho toku Dlouhe reky.

Je kofein skodlivy?
	Asi stejne jako matein. Puvodni studie se delaly na kave a sice
stylem: pijete kavu? ano; umrel jste na kardiovaskularni choroby? ano; a
zaver? kofein zpusobuje s vysokou pravdepodobnosti kardiovaskularni choroby.
Nejnoveji se zjistilo, ze kavu piji lide s nezdravym zivotnim stylem (stres,
hamburgery...) a ze s kardivaskularnimi chorobami kava nema nic spolecneho.
Proto se take drive tvrdilo, ze kofein (nekdy nazyvany tein) z caje neni tak
skodlivy. Jak muze byt jeden kofein skodlivejsi nez druhy, ha?

A nakonec muj nazor na Mate: uz jsem, pravda, pil horsi veci, ale nebylo
jich mnoho

Radim


P.S.: Vsem se omlouvam za zachvat internetove grafomanie, ale dnes jsem
delal zkousku a vysel asi tek pul hektaru psenice (rucne!)



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Vazeni pratele caje,
Plne se stavim za nazor, ze skodlivost kofeinu je stejna jak v caji, tak v kave.
Tento mur nazor jen potvrdil muj pobit na jedne anglicke klinice, kde lekari
pacientum doporucuji omezit piti caje. Jde o uplnou analogii k tomu, kdyz u nas
lekar doporuci pacientovi pit mene kavy. Spotreba caje je v Anglie tak shodna se
spotrebou kavy v nasich zemepisnych sirkach (brano prumerne na obyvatele). Takze
opravdu kofein je v obecnem smyslu jen jeden a jeho skodlivost ("prospesnost")
je take jen jedna.

PS: Doufam, ze nebudu vypadat jak analfabet, ale jsem opravdu cajovy zacatecnik,
muze mi nekdo vysvetlit, co je to ono tolik diskutovane MATE?
Dekuji.
Jirka Mentlik



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> ...
> Milan
> pro zvidave jsem ve svem archivu vyhledal clanek ktery loni psal jeden muj
> pritel do nejakeho casopisu
> prikladam
> 
ouuu uuup uuup uuup za nas vsechny UNIXare vono je to v MSWordu
prosim prosim davejte dalsi takove prispevky v plain textu (t.j. ,cistem'
textu) dokonce i HTML maily nam (alespon mne dost) casto vadi.

                                 Tomas "ebi" Ebenlendr 
                                 <ebik@death-star.com>
                                 <http://get.to/ebik>


>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Wed Sep 22 20:26:11 1999
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From: "Zuzana Bednarova" <zbednar@isternet.sk>
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> muze mi nekdo vysvetlit, co je to ono tolik diskutovane MATE?

Vysvetlenie o kofeine v kave a caji sa mi pacilo, takze za odmenu:
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~carlosm/mate.html,
http://yerbamatetea.com/yerbamateinfo.htm
tam je toho o mate dost.

Zuzana


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> Moje rec,
> je mnoho cest jak si udelat kvalitni caj. Kvalita caje tkvi v nem samotnem,
> ve vode pouzite pri jeho priprave a spravnosti pripravy. Zbytek tvori
> atmosfera, ktera ale z pigi caje neudela Nepal Fikkal Ilam. K atmosfere muze
> patrit i jakasi "alchymie pripravy" kterou mam rad, ale neni nebytna v
> priprave kvalitniho caje. Mne osobne na mikrovlnce taky cosi nesedi, ale

Tak to je presne to, co jsem neumele chtela vyjadrit.

> nezavrhoval bych ji. Podle mne nezalezi na tom jak vodu ohrejem, ale v cem
> (esus od polivky na ohni z boroveho drivi X sklenena konvicka v mikrovlnce).
> S tim zelezem jsem to taky nepochopil. Spis chapu ze existuje voda (napr.
> zelezita) z ktery dobry caj neudelas jmenovite Saratice, voda na
> Olomouckejch kolejich, ze studny v Jiznich Cechach, z ricky Desne atd. :-)
> V Kristu Milan
> 

Ja se proste nemuzu citit prima, kdyz chodim po kuchyni a cekam, kdy 
uz ta voda konecene zavari (tu mikrovlnku proste sice nema, ale 
dovolila jsem si rict, ze neni uplne k zahozeni) na plyny a pak zase 
cekat, az vychladne. Ja se osobne tesim az na okamzik zaliti a 
pozorovani rozvijejicich se listku a PITI. Kazdemu co jeho jest SASA 



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Proboha co to furt melete? Nebo je tu snad nekdo, kdo si opravdu 
zaliva cokoliv vodou z prutokace? U instantni kavy jsem slysela, ze 
to lze zalit i studenou vodou, ale caj? Nebo dosla temata? SASA

> Hlavni duvod, proc se na ohrev pitne vody obecne (nejen na pripravu caje)
> zasadne nemaji pouzivat prutokace je ten, ze v nich jsou zpravidla medene
> trubky, ktere zdravi cloveka moc nepridaji. Dalsi duvod pachuti vody z
> ohrivace (a s tou naprosto souhlasim) je chlor, o kterem jsem jiz mluvil.
> Ten z vody vyprcha az po chvilce varu. Kdyz ovsem chlor odstranite filtrem a
> nedate vodu ohrivat do medenych trubek, neni podle me duvod, proc by se
> musela prevaret a pak chladit. 
> 
>                 Jakub Serych
> 
> -----Původní zpráva-----
> Od: LToman@zivpo.cz [mailto:LToman@zivpo.cz]
> Odesláno: 22. září 1999 14:27
> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
> Předmět: RE: Caj: zelene caje-priprava
> 
> 
> plynova karma - zarizeni visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat protekajici
> vodu plamenem jen do urcite teploty
> plynovy sporak - zarizeni, stojici u zdi, ktere je schopne plamenem privest
> vodu v hrnci k varu
> prutokovy ohrivac - zarizeni, visici na stene, ktere je schopne ohrat vodu
> za pomoci topne spiraly jen do urcite teploty
> rychlovarna konvice - zarizeni, stojici obvykle na stole, ktere je shopne
> topnou spiralou privest vodu k varu
>  
> To je duvod, proc se nepouziva ohrivace ci karmy. Zkusil sis nekdy natocit
> horkou vodu a kostnout? chutna otresne. Voda, ktera projde varem a pak
> zchladne na stejnou teplotu chutna o trochu lip.
> Takze  ja vodu privedu k varu (a nejspise i ostatni) a pak ji nechavam
> zchladnout na pozadovanou teplotu. Dle jistych pramenu jsem slysel, ze je
> lepsi vodu privest k varu 2x, ale toto povazuju za neoverene.
> Tudiz nehlidam az dosahne 70 °C, ale cekam az zchladne na 70°C.
>  
> Galenius
>  
> 
> 
> 
> >> Nasypme caj do konvice, otocme cervenym kohoutkem a hle -
> >> chutny nalev je na svete!  ;-)
> >> Ted me omluvte, jdu se vyzvracet.
> >
> >Pockej na me, jdu taky...
> 
>  
> Prosil bych pany az se vybl...  vratej, aby mi osvetlili rozdil mezi
> plynovou karmou a plynovym sporakem a mezi prutokovym ohrivacem a
> rychlovarnou konvici (krome toho ze prvne jmenovane spotrebice obvykle visi
> na zdi :-)). Jestli si varite vodu na kamnech a hlidate kdy ma 70C, tak si
> vezmu Kinedril. Pokud ji nechate prevarit a pak cekate az zchladne pak nemam
> namitek a narceni z pokrytectvi neni na miste.:-) 
> V Kristu Milan
>  
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 08:08:18 1999
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>-----Původní zpráva-----
>Od: Cibulka [mailto:cibulka@hb.vurv.cz]
>Odesláno: 22. září 1999 17:26
>Komu: 'caj@dione.zcu.cz'
>Předmět: Caj: voda a jine pitomosti
>Důle^Ţitost: Nízká
>Jak to tak vidim, bude muset svetova veda rici sve slovo!
>.
>.
>.
>Ma voda strukturu?
>	Kazdy, kdo mel neco spolecneho s fyzikou vi, ze ma. Kde jinde by se
>asi vzalo povrchove napeti, he? Jestli se ale muze menit zpusobem ohrevu
>nevim. Pokud ovsem neco strukturu nicit bude, pak jsou to zarucene
mikrovlny

To uz mi pripomina takovou tu parafrazi na casto prichazejici maily typu
"Pozor na mail ten a ten, zarucene obsahuje vir."
V te parafrazi se pise: Pocitacovy vir z tohoto mailu, roztoci harddisk
Vaseho pocitace na takove obratky, ze vyleti oknem, a to i v pripade, ze
pocitac bude vytazen ze zasuvky, naleje do Vaseho skveleho akvaria flasku
Fridexu (dodavam - mozna to znici strukturu a povrchove napeti vody), Vase
babicka onemocni nemoci silenych krav i pres to, ze uz je 10 let mrtva. atd.
atd.

>.
>.
>.
>.
>P.S.: Vsem se omlouvam za zachvat internetove grafomanie, ale dnes jsem
>delal zkousku a vysel asi tek pul hektaru psenice (rucne!)

To vse vysvetluje :-)))

			Jakub Serych

P.S. Myslim, ze bychom uz meli debaty o techhle vecech zanechat, aby to
nezanechalo neblahy otisk v nasich hlavach (to by se totiz skutecne mohlo
stat). Pojdme se radeji zas bavit o skvelych napojich

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Sorry Tomasi,
omlouvam se unixarum a napravuju chybu. Mne prozmenu dione pri odeslani
prispevku vraci zpravu ze :
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<triss54@hotmail.com>
furt to mazu, ale zajimalo by mne ci je to adresa.


V Kristu Milan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Koukni se na stranku o caji:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/caj/caj.html
nebo o umeni:
http://www.mujweb.cz/www/artpoetry/index.htm
-AdHOnoreJesus!-
-----Původní zpráva-----
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Datum: 22. září 1999 19:24
Předmět: Caj: prosim piste v plain-textu


>> ...
>> Milan
>> pro zvidave jsem ve svem archivu vyhledal clanek ktery loni psal jeden
muj
>> pritel do nejakeho casopisu
>> prikladam
>>
>ouuu uuup uuup uuup za nas vsechny UNIXare vono je to v MSWordu
>prosim prosim davejte dalsi takove prispevky v plain textu (t.j. ,cistem'
>textu) dokonce i HTML maily nam (alespon mne dost) casto vadi.
>
>                                 Tomas "ebi" Ebenlendr
>                                 <ebik@death-star.com>
>                                 <http://get.to/ebik>

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> Sorry Tomasi,
> omlouvam se unixarum a napravuju chybu. Mne prozmenu dione 
> pri odeslani
> prispevku vraci zpravu ze :
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> furt to mazu, ale zajimalo by mne ci je to adresa.

Jo, to mi povidej. Me to hazi taky. Zacinal jsem uz uvazovat, ze zacnu
shanet spravce konference...

	Galenius

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Doufam, ze nespustim nejakou lavinu, jen se chci zeptat na to, jak 
predehrivate konvicky. Predpokladam, ze vetsinou mate sklenene, 
keramicke nebo glazovane konvicky. Tak se jen chci zeptat na zpusob 
predehrivani.

jo a jeste jedna vec mne trkla do mozku. Videl jsem kdesi, ze vnitrky 
konvicek necistili, nechali je po caji jen tak (hlavne to bylo videt na 
glazovanych konvickach). Pak se do nich delal dalsi caj. Ma to nejaky 
vyznam?

Peta
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>
>P.S. Myslim, ze bychom uz meli debaty o techhle vecech zanechat, aby to
>nezanechalo neblahy otisk v nasich hlavach (to by se totiz skutecne mohlo
>stat). Pojdme se radeji zas bavit o skvelych napojich

Moje rec,
proto znova opakuju otazku jiz drive polozenou, co rikate letosnimu
Darjeelingu?
Venku uz zacina vonet zem a pomalu padajici listi, tesim se az vypadnu nekam
na sever do skal, vecer si nekde pod previsem udelam Tie Kuan Jin. Rano si
budu hrat zmrzly ruce o salek Genmaichy ..... romantici mi jistě rozumí :-)
......

V Kristu Milan
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Doufam, ze nespustim nejakou lavinu, jen se chci zeptat na to, jak
predehrivate konvicky. Predpokladam, ze vetsinou mate sklenene,
keramicke nebo glazovane konvicky. Tak se jen chci zeptat na zpusob
predehrivani.

jo a jeste jedna vec mne trkla do mozku. Videl jsem kdesi, ze vnitrky
konvicek necistili, nechali je po caji jen tak (hlavne to bylo videt na
glazovanych konvickach). Pak se do nich delal dalsi caj. Ma to nejaky
vyznam?

Peta

Ja osobne do takovych detailu pri priprave nejdu, ale bracha je cajovy
alchymista, ten vzdycky vytaha pulku nadobi, coz zenu privadi k silenstvi.
Pokud se dobre pamatuju ohriva ising tak ze ho ma ponoreny (ne uplne) ve
skleneny misce s horkou vodou. Ostatni konvicky a hrnicky ohriva tak, ze do
nich naleje horkou vodu a tesne pred nalitim caje ji vyleje. Konvicky
nemeje, jenom je vyplachne varici vodou, potom se nemusi ani utirat, protoze
zbytek vody se krasne odpari. Nekdy to ovsem Kacenka nevydrzi a konvicky mi
umeje. Vona vubec (nevim jak jsou na tom ostatni cajomilci se svejma
drahejma polovickama) ma k caji sverazny pristup. Vodni vilu zalejva horkou
vodou, wulong vyhazuje po prvnim zaliti, do konvicky na zeleny caj si dela
Earl Grey a pod., ale ja to beru s nadhledem, prece si kvuli caji nebudu
rozvracet manzelstvi :-).

V Kristu Milan
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> Pokud se dobre pamatuju ohriva ising tak ze ho ma ponoreny 
> (ne uplne) ve
> skleneny misce s horkou vodou. Ostatni konvicky a hrnicky 
> ohriva tak, ze do
> nich naleje horkou vodu a tesne pred nalitim caje ji vyleje. Konvicky
> nemeje, jenom je vyplachne varici vodou, potom se nemusi ani 
> utirat, protoze
> zbytek vody se krasne odpari.

Muj obvykly postup je ten, ze naleju horkou (nebo spis vhodne teplou)  vodu
do konvicky, tim odmerim potrebne mnozstvi vody a pak tim zaleju caj. Tento
postup jsem odsledoval v Dobre cajovne.
Jinak do misticky vodu naleju a necham ji tam po celou dobu louhovani. Pak
vylejt.

Galenius

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Ahoj,
hledam nejake informace o ovocnych cajich. Nemate nejake?
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Uff uff (to mumlal tusim Vinetou), ze by dalsi poznatek? Vy mate (Ty =20
nejsi dva, Ty jsi Milan, ja jsem Petr - ja Ti budu tykat, jo? Muzu?) na =
=20
zeleny caj jinou konvicku jako na cerny? Jejda ja to "patlu" do jedne =20
konvicky. Aha to by mohl byt duvod (hi hi hi) k nove konvicce.

Peta
P.S. Sorry za ty moje neustale dotazy, caj sice piju delsi dobu, ale =20
nektere cajove zvyky se teprve ucim.
P.S.1 ne neni dobre rozvracet neco, co existuje, vzdyt je to krasny. =20
Treba casem se neco zmeni.
P.S.2 Nedavno jsem si vzal na dovcu Earl green. To byla parada. =20
Zachutnal mi jeste vic nez jeho sedsi bratr Earl grey. Moc, moc dobry =20
caj to byl. A to sem si myslel, ze neni nad Earl grey. Jeste mam co =20
objevovat.

=2D----P=F9vodn=ED zpr=E1va-----
Od: cervenka =20
Odesl=E1no: 23. z=E1=F8=ED 1999 9:31
Komu: caj
Kopie: cervenka
P=F8edm=ECt: Caj: Re: predehrivani konvicky a jeji cisteni

skleneny misce s horkou vodou. Ostatni konvicky a hrnicky ohriva tak, =20
ze do
nich naleje horkou vodu a tesne pred nalitim caje ji vyleje. Konvicky
nemeje, jenom je vyplachne varici vodou, potom se nemusi ani utirat, =20
protoze
zbytek vody se krasne odpari. Nekdy to ovsem Kacenka nevydrzi a =20
konvicky mi
umeje. Vona vubec (nevim jak jsou na tom ostatni cajomilci se svejma
drahejma polovickama) ma k caji sverazny pristup. Vodni vilu zalejva =20
horkou
vodou, wulong vyhazuje po prvnim zaliti, do konvicky na zeleny caj si =20
dela
Earl Grey a pod., ale ja to beru s nadhledem, prece si kvuli caji nebudu=

rozvracet manzelstvi :-).

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Otazka asi dost zacatecnicka, ale kde se sezene letosni Darjeeling. Jeste
jsem nenasel kseft, kde by dokazali jit do takovych detailu, zda je
Darjeeling lonsky nebo letosni.

			Diky

				Jakub Serych

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Odesláno: 23. září 1999 8:41
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Předmět: Caj: Re: RE: voda a jine pitomosti


Moje rec,
proto znova opakuju otazku jiz drive polozenou, co rikate letosnimu
Darjeelingu?
Venku uz zacina vonet zem a pomalu padajici listi, tesim se az vypadnu nekam
na sever do skal, vecer si nekde pod previsem udelam Tie Kuan Jin. Rano si
budu hrat zmrzly ruce o salek Genmaichy ..... romantici mi jistě rozumí :-)
......

V Kristu Milan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-AdHOnoreJesus!-

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zde je priblizny zaznam me komunikace s postmasterem na dione
ja si myslel ze to ma v pravomoci on
(pozor je to pozpatku...)

                                 Tomas "ebi" Ebenlendr 
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... a neslo by zaridit, abych ja nedostal priste takovej mejl?

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Tomas 'ebi' Ebenlendr wrote:

> Ehm, neslo by zaridit abych takovyto mejl pristi nedostal ja?
> mne totiz moc nezajima komu Majordomo konferencni postu dorucil
> a komu ne, ja radeji ziju v iluzi ze vsem
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Uff uff (to mumlal tusim Vinetou), ze by dalsi poznatek? Vy mate (Ty
nejsi dva, Ty jsi Milan, ja jsem Petr - ja Ti budu tykat, jo? Muzu?) na
zeleny caj jinou konvicku jako na cerny? Jejda ja to "patlu" do jedne
konvicky. Aha to by mohl byt duvod (hi hi hi) k nove konvicce.

Peta
P.S. Sorry za ty moje neustale dotazy, caj sice piju delsi dobu, ale
nektere cajove zvyky se teprve ucim.
P.S.1 ne neni dobre rozvracet neco, co existuje, vzdyt je to krasny.
Treba casem se neco zmeni.
P.S.2 Nedavno jsem si vzal na dovcu Earl green. To byla parada.
Zachutnal mi jeste vic nez jeho sedsi bratr Earl grey. Moc, moc dobry
caj to byl. A to sem si myslel, ze neni nad Earl grey. Jeste mam co
objevovat.

Caj Petre!
No, ja (my) mam tech konvicek asi osm, ale to je podle mne naprosto zbytecny
prepich (koupil jsem si asi jednu, zbytek jsem dostal). Kdyz mas
porcelanovou konvicku (vrele doporucuju ryzovy porcelan, napr. z nabidky
Amany) nemusis si delat starosti, ale u neglazovanych bacha. Podle mne do
isingu patri jenom oolong, Earl grey bych tam nedelal protože bych ho pak z
toho dlouho cejtil. V konferenci uz se nekolikrat prehnala debata na tema
konvicky, takze zkus zabrousit do archivu.

V Kristu Milan
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Letosni Darjeeling obycejne najdes v nabidkach cajoven jako First flush 99.
Myslim ze kazda cajovna se tim rada pochlubi. Ted uz by pomalu mela bejt k
dostani druha sklizen. V kseftu ho poznas podle toho ze je o neco drazsi nez
"normalni" darjeeling.

V Kristu Milan
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Datum: 23. září 1999 10:32
Předmět: Caj: Letosni Darjeeling


>Otazka asi dost zacatecnicka, ale kde se sezene letosni Darjeeling. Jeste
>jsem nenasel kseft, kde by dokazali jit do takovych detailu, zda je
>Darjeeling lonsky nebo letosni.
>
> Diky
>
> Jakub Serych
>
>-----Původní zpráva-----
>Od: Milan Červenka [mailto:cervenka@plemdat.czn.cz]
>Odesláno: 23. září 1999 8:41
>Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz
>Předmět: Caj: Re: RE: voda a jine pitomosti
>
>
>Moje rec,
>proto znova opakuju otazku jiz drive polozenou, co rikate letosnimu
>Darjeelingu?
>Venku uz zacina vonet zem a pomalu padajici listi, tesim se az vypadnu
nekam
>na sever do skal, vecer si nekde pod previsem udelam Tie Kuan Jin. Rano si
>budu hrat zmrzly ruce o salek Genmaichy ..... romantici mi jistě rozumí :-)
>......
>
>V Kristu Milan
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Koukni se na stranku o caji:
>http://www.angelfire.com/ga/caj/caj.html
>nebo o umeni:
>http://www.mujweb.cz/www/artpoetry/index.htm
>-AdHOnoreJesus!-


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> Ja osobne do takovych detailu pri priprave nejdu, ale bracha je cajovy
> alchymista, ten vzdycky vytaha pulku nadobi, coz zenu privadi k silenstvi.
> Pokud se dobre pamatuju ohriva ising tak ze ho ma ponoreny (ne uplne) ve
> skleneny misce s horkou vodou. Ostatni konvicky a hrnicky ohriva tak, ze do
> nich naleje horkou vodu a tesne pred nalitim caje ji vyleje. Konvicky
> nemeje, jenom je vyplachne varici vodou, potom se nemusi ani utirat, protoze
> zbytek vody se krasne odpari. Nekdy to ovsem Kacenka nevydrzi a konvicky mi
> umeje. 

Me to udelala tchyne. Po dovolene, kdy hlidala naseho psa, mi 
vitezoslavne rekla, ze na mych hrniccich a konvickach malem nechala 
ruce. Ze to slo jen praskem A pak jestli by to nebyla polehcujici 
okolnost pri vrazde????? SASA

Vona vubec (nevim jak jsou na tom ostatni cajomilci se svejma
> drahejma polovickama) ma k caji sverazny pristup. Vodni vilu zalejva horkou
> vodou, wulong vyhazuje po prvnim zaliti, do konvicky na zeleny caj si dela
> Earl Grey a pod., ale ja to beru s nadhledem, prece si kvuli caji nebudu
> rozvracet manzelstvi :-).

Tady si myslim, ze staci treba jen maly listek papiru pod dozu, jen 
drobna informace co s tim. Ja to taky z hlavy nevim, proste si tim 
nezatezuju mozek a pisu si.

> 
> V Kristu Milan
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Koukni se na stranku o caji:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ga/caj/caj.html
> nebo o umeni:
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> -AdHOnoreJesus!-
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> Od: petr.podrabsky@spt.cz <petr.podrabsky@spt.cz>
> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
> Datum: 23. záőí 1999 8:40
> Pőedmit: Caj: predehrivani konvicky a jeji cisteni
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Ac jako tichy prisedici t=E9to konference, muzu nyn=ED poradit, ze =
letosni Darjeeling (First Flush) je jiz temer dva mesice k dostani v =
Literarni cajovne Hermanna Ungara (p.Cik=E1n). Uz jsem si jedno baleni =
objednal, ale nejak rychle vzalo za sve. Ted se chystam na dal=B9=ED =
objednavku. Muj nazor: vynikajici, doporucuji.

Petr Dolezal


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Otazka asi dost zacatecnicka, ale kde se sezene letosni Darjeeling. =
Jeste
jsem nenasel kseft, kde by dokazali jit do takovych detailu, zda je
Darjeeling lonsky nebo letosni.

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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 11:29:17 1999
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Serych@panska.cz wrote:
> 
> Otazka asi dost zacatecnicka, ale kde se sezene letosni Darjeeling. Jeste
> jsem nenasel kseft, kde by dokazali jit do takovych detailu, zda je
> Darjeeling lonsky nebo letosni.

Ale jo, najdou se.
Ja jsem si koupil letosni Darjeeling tady v Plzni v kramecku 
v Perlove ulici. Tam to odlisuji pomerne dost striktne. Byl
to Singbulli, prvni sklizen, a stal asi 260,- /100g.
Popravde receno, za tu cenu nestal. Mam Singbulli FFTGFOP 1998,
ten me stal polovinu a chutna lip. Kdyby mi nekdo dal ty dva
na porovnani, asi bych ten novy povazoval za starsi. Je takovy
jako vycichly nebo co. Ale muze to byt jen horsim skladovanim.

Pavel

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>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 12:11:06 1999
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From: Marek Balaz <marek@sireal.sk>
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Mne sa snazi vzdy frajerka umyt konvicu morskou solou a potom ju poriadne
vyplachne. Necitim tam sice ziadne zmeny v chuti, ale radsej by ju
nemusela okrem vody nicim inym umyvat.

Marek


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	Zdravim vsechny cajomilce,

     debata na tema nutnosti nechat vodu projit varem pred pripravou caje
nabyla obludnych rozmeru, ale aspon vime, jak se cajomilove ruzni v
nazorech. Jen mi zacina trochu vadit, ze se zatim nenasel nikdo, kdo by
uvedl sve prakticke zkusenosti s obema trendy (jen ohrati/nechat projit
varem). To by teprve bylo neco!

		S pozdravem 
				Petr

At 07:39 23.9.1999 +0100, you wrote:
>
>
>> Moje rec,
>> je mnoho cest jak si udelat kvalitni caj. Kvalita caje tkvi v nem samotnem,
>> ve vode pouzite pri jeho priprave a spravnosti pripravy. Zbytek tvori
>> atmosfera, ktera ale z pigi caje neudela Nepal Fikkal Ilam. K atmosfere
muze
>> patrit i jakasi "alchymie pripravy" kterou mam rad, ale neni nebytna v
>> priprave kvalitniho caje. Mne osobne na mikrovlnce taky cosi nesedi, ale
>
>Tak to je presne to, co jsem neumele chtela vyjadrit.
>
>> nezavrhoval bych ji. Podle mne nezalezi na tom jak vodu ohrejem, ale v cem
>> (esus od polivky na ohni z boroveho drivi X sklenena konvicka v
mikrovlnce).
>> S tim zelezem jsem to taky nepochopil. Spis chapu ze existuje voda (napr.
>> zelezita) z ktery dobry caj neudelas jmenovite Saratice, voda na
>> Olomouckejch kolejich, ze studny v Jiznich Cechach, z ricky Desne atd. :-)
>> V Kristu Milan
>> 
>
>Ja se proste nemuzu citit prima, kdyz chodim po kuchyni a cekam, kdy 
>uz ta voda konecene zavari (tu mikrovlnku proste sice nema, ale 
>dovolila jsem si rict, ze neni uplne k zahozeni) na plyny a pak zase 
>cekat, az vychladne. Ja se osobne tesim az na okamzik zaliti a 
>pozorovani rozvijejicich se listku a PITI. Kazdemu co jeho jest SASA 
>
>
>
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 12:45:50 1999
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Subject: Re: Caj: Re: predehrivani konvicky a jeji cisteni
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	Zdravim,

     co se tyce dukladne vydrhnutych konvicek, prijmi mou soucitnou ucast
na tvych rozporuplnych pocitech. Tady lze jen konstatovat, ze v zivote
lidskem mohou nastat i horsi pripady, myslenky na hrdelni zlocin bych zatim
odlozil :-)). Preji brzke vyjasneni mysli.

		S pozdravem
				Petr


At 11:26 23.9.1999 +0100, you wrote:
>
>> Ja osobne do takovych detailu pri priprave nejdu, ale bracha je cajovy
>> alchymista, ten vzdycky vytaha pulku nadobi, coz zenu privadi k silenstvi.
>> Pokud se dobre pamatuju ohriva ising tak ze ho ma ponoreny (ne uplne) ve
>> skleneny misce s horkou vodou. Ostatni konvicky a hrnicky ohriva tak, ze do
>> nich naleje horkou vodu a tesne pred nalitim caje ji vyleje. Konvicky
>> nemeje, jenom je vyplachne varici vodou, potom se nemusi ani utirat,
protoze
>> zbytek vody se krasne odpari. Nekdy to ovsem Kacenka nevydrzi a konvicky mi
>> umeje. 
>
>Me to udelala tchyne. Po dovolene, kdy hlidala naseho psa, mi 
>vitezoslavne rekla, ze na mych hrniccich a konvickach malem nechala 
>ruce. Ze to slo jen praskem A pak jestli by to nebyla polehcujici 
>okolnost pri vrazde????? SASA
>
>Vona vubec (nevim jak jsou na tom ostatni cajomilci se svejma
>> drahejma polovickama) ma k caji sverazny pristup. Vodni vilu zalejva horkou
>> vodou, wulong vyhazuje po prvnim zaliti, do konvicky na zeleny caj si dela
>> Earl Grey a pod., ale ja to beru s nadhledem, prece si kvuli caji nebudu
>> rozvracet manzelstvi :-).
>
>Tady si myslim, ze staci treba jen maly listek papiru pod dozu, jen 
>drobna informace co s tim. Ja to taky z hlavy nevim, proste si tim 
>nezatezuju mozek a pisu si.
>
>> 
>> V Kristu Milan
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Koukni se na stranku o caji:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/ga/caj/caj.html
>> nebo o umeni:
>> http://www.mujweb.cz/www/artpoetry/index.htm
>> -AdHOnoreJesus!-
>> -----Puvodní zpráva-----
>> Od: petr.podrabsky@spt.cz <petr.podrabsky@spt.cz>
>> Komu: caj@dione.zcu.cz <caj@dione.zcu.cz>
>> Datum: 23. záőí 1999 8:40
>> Pőedmit: Caj: predehrivani konvicky a jeji cisteni
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

	S pozdravem
	 Petr Novak

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 13:45:13 1999
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Pavel Baxa <baxa@kiv.zcu.cz> wrote:
> Serych@panska.cz wrote:
> > jsem nenasel kseft, kde by dokazali jit do takovych detailu, zda je
> > Darjeeling lonsky nebo letosni.
> Ale jo, najdou se.
> Ja jsem si koupil letosni Darjeeling tady v Plzni v kramecku 
> v Perlove ulici. Tam to odlisuji pomerne dost striktne. Byl
> to Singbulli, prvni sklizen, a stal asi 260,- /100g.
> Popravde receno, za tu cenu nestal. Mam Singbulli FFTGFOP 1998,

Hola vespolek!
Jsem rad, ze vodyvzdorna debata uz je za nami...
Jako zacatecnikovi mi z toho sla hlava kolem - tedy vic hlav, protoze co
hlava, to nazor. Vrele se pripojuji k hlasu, volajicimu po dojmech z obou
zkusenosti, jakoz i nejlepe po nekom, kdo mi rekne, jakou mam mit konvicku,
lzicku a sitko a jako mam vsechno umyvat ci neumyvat :^).
BTW, z tech poslednich dvou radku, co jsem ponechal z predchozich mailu, mi
naskakuje husi kuze - prisel jsem se poucit a misto toho jsem spadnul do davu
fanatiku ;-)

P.S. Jestli muzete, nenechavejte stare maily jako attachmenty u svych REPLY.
Neumerne to zvysuje jejich velikost a kdyz prijde nejakych tricet mailu z
konference za den a opakuji se v nich neustale ty same REPLY, dost to zaneradi
schranku. Thanx.


                                         Wish You well.
                                              Hibi

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Velevazeny pritely,
	jak vidim, moc peclive prispevky do konference nectete, neb prave o
tom jsem psal. Z mych zkusenosti plyne, ze nejlepsi je voda tesne pred
prudkym varem (perlicky - rozumi se pro nizkoteplotni caje). Neprosla voda
nedovarena ani prilis dlouho varena. Nicmene, nedelal jsem slepy pokus na
vetsim mnozstvi zkusenych degustatoru, a tak tyto udaje nemusi byt
smerodatne. Je to zkratka muj soukromy dojem. Dale bych chtel podotknout, ze
cajomilove jsou v tomto ohledu zajedno, pricemz onoho provokatera (a co
jineho, nez drza provokace, je doporucovat v cajove konferenci ohrivat vodu
na caj v mikrovlnne troube) za cajomilce rozhodne nepovazuji. Howgh.
Radim


> 	Zdravim vsechny cajomilce,
> 
>      debata na tema nutnosti nechat vodu projit varem pred pripravou caje
> nabyla obludnych rozmeru, ale aspon vime, jak se cajomilove ruzni v
> nazorech. Jen mi zacina trochu vadit, ze se zatim nenasel nikdo, kdo by
> uvedl sve prakticke zkusenosti s obema trendy (jen ohrati/nechat projit
> varem). To by teprve bylo neco!
> 
> 		S pozdravem 
> 				Petr
> 
> 

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Thu Sep 23 20:27:53 1999
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	Vazeny priteli cajomile,

     z tve odpovedi jsem se zadostiucinenim vzal na vedomi, ze jak se zda
tak jeste porad plati stara osvedcena zasada o klasicke priprave caje,
punktum. To o provokaterovi bylo dost trefne.

	S pozdravem
			Petr

At 16:16 23.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Velevazeny pritely,
>	jak vidim, moc peclive prispevky do konference nectete, neb prave o
>tom jsem psal. Z mych zkusenosti plyne, ze nejlepsi je voda tesne pred
>prudkym varem (perlicky - rozumi se pro nizkoteplotni caje). Neprosla voda
>nedovarena ani prilis dlouho varena. Nicmene, nedelal jsem slepy pokus na
>vetsim mnozstvi zkusenych degustatoru, a tak tyto udaje nemusi byt
>smerodatne. Je to zkratka muj soukromy dojem. Dale bych chtel podotknout, ze
>cajomilove jsou v tomto ohledu zajedno, pricemz onoho provokatera (a co
>jineho, nez drza provokace, je doporucovat v cajove konferenci ohrivat vodu
>na caj v mikrovlnne troube) za cajomilce rozhodne nepovazuji. Howgh.
>Radim
>
>
>> 	Zdravim vsechny cajomilce,
>> 
>>      debata na tema nutnosti nechat vodu projit varem pred pripravou caje
>> nabyla obludnych rozmeru, ale aspon vime, jak se cajomilove ruzni v
>> nazorech. Jen mi zacina trochu vadit, ze se zatim nenasel nikdo, kdo by
>> uvedl sve prakticke zkusenosti s obema trendy (jen ohrati/nechat projit
>> varem). To by teprve bylo neco!
>> 
>> 		S pozdravem 
>> 				Petr
>> 
>> 
>
>

>From owner-student@dione.zcu.cz  Fri Sep 24 13:46:53 1999
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	Zdravim zvidavou ucastnici konference,

    otazka je dost nepresne formulovana. Nejake informace, to muze byt take
jen odkaz na www stranky firem, ktere maji tyto caje ve sve nabidce.
Ostatne oznaceni ovocne caje se pouziva jen jako oznaceni pro druh napoje,
ktery ma neco spolecneho s ovocem, ale malo spolecneho s cajem.

	S pozdravem
			Petr

At 10:18 23.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Ahoj,
>hledam nejake informace o ovocnych cajich. Nemate nejake?
>Zdravi blanka.k@email.cz
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Ahojka vsici,

nejsem moc duverivej a proto sem si rikal, ze zelenej caj v predehrate 
konvicce a to jeste voda neprivedena uplne do varu, by se mohl lisit 
caje zaliteho vrici vodou a do studene konvicky. Opravdu se ta kvalita 
projevila ac jsem to necekal. Diky Vam, za moje objevy. Mejte se moc 
fajn a hlavne si uzijte peknej cajovej vikend.

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From: Hibi <hibi!@usa.net>
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Hola vespolek!
Tak trochu se prohrabavam archivem a
- ten problem, co tu probiha s nefungujici e-mailovou adresou, tak to by mohla
byt TRISS, ktera se driv presentovala adresou POSTRAN@gymcheb.hiedu.cz. Je-li
uz ovsem po gymnaziu, sotva se ji tam dovolate.

- nedavna diskuse o tom, zda vodu zahrat jen na nutnou teplotu nebo ji
prevarit a na tuto teplotu nechat vystydnout zrejme do teto konference
prichazi periodicky - prinejmensim v prosinci lonskeho roku kratce probehla (a
to jsem este ten archiv neprojel celej)

- za dobu sveho pusobeni tady jsem jej nepotkal, ale v archivu mi jeho
prispevky prisly velmi obohacujici a rad si bych jeste nekdy precetl jeho
moudra slova; proto se ptam: funguje tady jeste SASEK, neboli
<janvacek@iol.cz>?

- taky pred nejakou dobou jsem posilal dotaz ohledne nekolika chemickych
sloucenin v caji; bohuzel jsem se odpovedi nedockal (povazujete mne za
takoveho ignoranta, pokud to nevim, ze vam ani nestoji za to mi odpovedet :-?
Procez jsem tak poruznu shanel a prosim potvrdte nebo vyvratte:
* TANIN je sloucenina, ktera zpusobuje v caji horkost
* je TANIN trislovina?
* co jsou vlastne trisloviny zac a proc se jim tak rika
* TEIN patri spolu s kofeinem a zrejme i mateinem do rodiny povzbuzujich a i
jinak prospesnych a lecivych alkaloidu xantinu
* pry pri fermentaci se prave z teinu stava kofein ...?!
* nemily povlak na cernych cajich je zpusoben tvrdosti vody - jak to funguje a
o co jde?

                                          S diky za VSECHNY odpovedi
                                                Hibi Doufajici

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Hibi wrote:
> - taky pred nejakou dobou jsem posilal dotaz ohledne nekolika chemickych
> sloucenin v caji; 
> ....
> * TANIN je sloucenina, ktera zpusobuje v caji horkost
> * je TANIN trislovina?
> * co jsou vlastne trisloviny zac a proc se jim tak rika
> * TEIN patri spolu s kofeinem a zrejme i mateinem do rodiny povzbuzujich a i
> jinak prospesnych a lecivych alkaloidu xantinu
> * pry pri fermentaci se prave z teinu stava kofein ...?!
> * nemily povlak na cernych cajich je zpusoben tvrdosti vody - jak to funguje a
> o co jde?

    Mluvime-li o caji, pak TANIN je nespravny nazev pro polyfenoly 
obsazene v caji. POLYFENOLY jsou trisloviny. Chemicky jsou to 
derivaty uhlovodiku obsahujici dve nebo vice hydroxylovych 
skupin (pry, nezda se mi to spravne, overim). Z polyfenolu 
jsou pro caj vyznamne FLAVANOLY, jejichz podmnozinu tvori 
KATECHINY. TANINove kyseliny se pouzivaji v kozedelnem
prumyslu a do caje bych to nechtel.
    Trpkost caje (sviravy pocit) zpusobuji prave polyfenoly,
a to ty neokyslicene. Pri fermentaci (tj. oxidaci) vznikaji
polyfenoly slozitejsi, okyslicene, napr. theaflavin. Tahle
druha skupina dava caji barvu a chut. Takze zelene caje jsou
sviravejsi, trpci, bez barvy, zatimco cerne caje jsou tmave
a maji velmi typickou chut.
    K oblibenemu tematu tein : TEIN a KOFEIN jedno jsou! 
Neni pravda, ze jedno vznika z druheho. Chemicky jsou totozne,
na vzorec se da proklikat na mych strankach, heslo Chemie.
Tein je zastaraly nazev, drive se soudilo, ze se jedna o jine 
chemikalie. Prekvapive zvesti o MATEINu jsi asi cetl.
    Povlak na caji bude patrne vapnik nebo nejaka jeho sul.
Takze to skutecne souvisi s tvrdosti vody. Nebo to taky byva
z kostek cukru - do cukru se u nas pridava nebo pridaval
vapnik jako doplnek potravy (stejne jako do soli jod).

Vic nevim. Chemie okolo polyfenolu je pekne rozebrana v knizce 
K. Chow, I. Kramerova: Vsechny caje Ciny, Dharmagaia Praha, 1998.


	Pavel Baxa

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Ahoj, chtela bych ziskat nejake informace o caji - ovocnem. Prosim, 
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blanka.k@email.cz wrote:
> 
> Ahoj, chtela bych ziskat nejake informace o caji - ovocnem. Prosim,
> pomozte!

Ahoj Blanko,

pokud opravdu hledas informace o ovocnaku, zkus upresnit, jake.
A kdyz se radne prihlasis do teto konference, mozna se dozvis
neco i o caji opravdovem ;-)
Navod na prihlaseni je na http://www-kiv.zcu.cz/~baxa/caj/caj_konf.html

	Pavel Baxa

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Hibi wrote:
> 
> Hola vespolek!
> Tak trochu se prohrabavam archivem a
> - ten problem, co tu probiha s nefungujici e-mailovou adresou, tak to by mohla
> byt TRISS, ktera se driv presentovala adresou POSTRAN@gymcheb.hiedu.cz. Je-li
> uz ovsem po gymnaziu, sotva se ji tam dovolate.

Detektivni kancelar oznamuje, ze dotycna skutecne je slecna Postranecka
z Chebu,
ovsem ted jiz studentkou ZCU (dle adresy kpostran@students.zcu.cz v
mailing-listu).
Na teto adrese ma forward na neexistujici adresu triss54@hotmail.com.

Prave jsem ji "odstrelil".

	Pavel

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Ahoj, potrebovala bych nejake informace o ovocnem caji. Prosim pomozte.
Pokud neco vite, znate atd, prosim poslete mi to na adresu 
blanka.k@email.cz!
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-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Pavel Baxa [mailto:baxa@kiv.zcu.cz]
Odesláno: 27. září 1999 16:12
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Předmět: Re: Caj: all the things
>.
>.
>.
>Takze to skutecne souvisi s tvrdosti vody. Nebo to taky byva
>z kostek cukru - do cukru se u nas pridava nebo pridaval
>vapnik jako doplnek potravy (stejne jako do soli jod).

Ja mel dojem, ze je tam z procesu cisteni cukru pri vyrobe. Tusim, ze se to
cisti flotaci tak, ze se tam da vapenec, ktery se s necistotami vysrazi ve
forme jakesi peny a ta se sebere z povrchu. Ale jsou to jen moje velmi matne
vzpominky z hodin cehosi (chemie, biologie ??) na zakladni skole.

			Jakub Serych
Vic nevim. Chemie okolo polyfenolu je pekne rozebrana v knizce 
K. Chow, I. Kramerova: Vsechny caje Ciny, Dharmagaia Praha, 1998.


	Pavel Baxa

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Tak zase Hradec v necem prekonal Pardubice :-) Kdyz uz ne 
kvalitou cajoven, tak alespon jejich poctem. Nedavno byla totiz 
otevrena dalsi cajovna a jejich pocet se zvysil na 2.

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U Poutníka
Masarykovo nám. 508
Hradec Králové
Na dveřích mají napsánu tuto adresu, ale ve skutečnosti je vchod z
ulice Havlíčkova.

Otevírací doba
Út - Ne  13 - 22

Jak se tam dostat
Pěšky od nádraží asi 15 min. Okolo obchodu Tesco a pak pořád rovně a
přes Baťkovo náměstí po pěší zóně Čelakovského ulicí na
Masarykovo nám. Čajovna je naproti hospodě Na Růžku.

Mapa
http://mapy.atlas.cz/show_me.asp?mapa=215&x=-33.92&y=-2.87

Čajovna je v suterénu domu. Je rozdělena na tři části. V první je
pultík, kde se platí v druhé jsou čtyři stolky pro asi dvanáct lidí. V
poslední místnosti je vyvýšené podium pokryté koberci, intimní
osvětlení, čtyři nízké stolky a spousta místa pro ležení. Tam je nutné
se zouvat.

Výzdoba čajovny je poměrně strohá. Ceny příznivé 25-50 Kč, možnost
zakouřit si vodní dýmku.

--
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Stapro s.r.o.

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Vazeni,
dovoluji si dat do vaseho podvedomi, ze v kratke dobe budu otevirat
cajovnu v Uherskem Hradisti.
V soucasne dobe je na okrese pouze jedna cajovna a to v Uherskem Brode. Je
to ale cajovna typu "zavodni jidelny", kde se sedi za umakartovymi stoly,
kouri a podava alkohol :-(.
Moje cajovna by mela byt ve stylu Vam dobre znamych Dobrych cajoven. Bude
v suterenni casti historickeho domu v centru Uh. Hradiste na plose cca 110
metru ctverecnich.
Bude zde prodejna, hlavni cajovna - sedici a lezici cast a maly "salonek",
resp. asi separe ... uvazuji i o umisteni vodni dymky.
O otevreni sortimentu a srdecnem pozvani Vas budu informovat pozdeji.
Otevreni planujeme od 1. listopadu t. r., v soucasne dobe probihaji jeste
nektre stavebni prace ...
Caj!

Radovan Dlouhy

Uvitam mozne tvurci napady, co Vam v soucasnych cajovnach chybi a zajemci
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> >.
> >Takze to skutecne souvisi s tvrdosti vody. Nebo to taky byva
> >z kostek cukru - do cukru se u nas pridava nebo pridaval
> >vapnik jako doplnek potravy (stejne jako do soli jod).
> 
> Ja mel dojem, ze je tam z procesu cisteni cukru pri vyrobe. Tusim, ze se
> to
> cisti flotaci tak, ze se tam da vapenec, ktery se s necistotami vysrazi ve
> forme jakesi peny a ta se sebere z povrchu. Ale jsou to jen moje velmi
> matne
> vzpominky z hodin cehosi (chemie, biologie ??) na zakladni skole.
> 
> 			Jakub Serych
> 
	Zminovany proces se nazava rafinace, takze nerafinovany cukr by
vapnik obsahovat nemel. Radim

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	Dobry den,

     ac se mi asi nepodari hned tak k Vam do cajovny zavitat, preju Vam
hodne spokojenych zakazniku. Kazda nove otevrena cajovna se skutecnym
zamerem pozdvihnout cajovou kulturu je chvalyhodna. Hodne uspechu!

		S pozdravem
				Petr

At 09:19 29.9.1999 +0200, you wrote:
>Vazeni,
>dovoluji si dat do vaseho podvedomi, ze v kratke dobe budu otevirat
>cajovnu v Uherskem Hradisti....Otevreni planujeme od 1. listopadu t. r., v
soucasne dobe probihaji jeste
>nektre stavebni prace ...
>Caj!
>
>Radovan Dlouhy
>
>Uvitam mozne tvurci napady, co Vam v soucasnych cajovnach chybi a zajemci
>o moznost spoluprace z blizkeho okoli ...
>
>
>
>

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Vcera jsem byla a nas U bileho slona. Tam nebyl NIKDO. Jen ja a moje 
nova konvicka, kterou jsem si vybrala pro syna. To je jako sen. Nebo 
je jeste moc leto nebo cim to je? Jak je to jinde?
Ja nevim, ale ja piju caj cely rok. SASA

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Caji zdar a krasne dny.

Pri zpetnem cteni prispevku me zaujala debata o "letosnim" Darjeelingu
(alespon vidite jak mizerny jsem clen konference, kdyz ctu prispevky jednou
tydne). Cerstva sklizen, minimalne first flush (dale ff), by mela byt
opravdu v nabidce snad kazde slusne cajovny. Je to jeden z vrcholu v roce
cajovnika. Cekani na cerstvy sber je vzdy spojeno s velkym ocekavanim a jeho
prichod oslavovan kazdodenim "zcajovanim se" po dobu nekolika tydnu. Patram
v pameti po ff poslednich let (tzn. bez zaruky-papiry se mi hledat nechce),
pokusim se o neuplny prehled poslednich 3 let. Razeni dle abecedy:
FF99 BANNOCKBURN (Amana - AMA)
FF99 GING (Amana - AMA)
FF99 GOOMTEE (Spolek milcu caje - SMC)
FF99 SINGBULLI (V.H.I.- bývalý CENTROCOM - jmeno zahrady neni uvadeno v
ceniku, jde o ustni sdeleni, takze se omlouvam za pripadne omyly)
FF98 NAMRING (SMC)
FF98 SINGBULLI (AMA)
FF98 SNOWVIEW (ted nevim zda V.H.I. ci pan Krivanek - RUZOVA CAJOVNA)
FF97 NAGRI FARM (AMA)
FF97 NAMRING (SMC)
FF97 SNOWVIEW (snad pan Krivanek - RUZOVA CAJOVNA)
a nepamatuji si zda, pripadne jaky caj privezla v roce 97 spolecnost V.H.I.
Umyslne jsem vynechal second flush(dale sf), ne proto, ze bych jej pokladal
za mene kvalitni, ale proste se nechci zamotat - nastane-li debata o sf,
pokusim se o rekapitulaci i tam.

Poznamka k:

>Ja jsem si koupil letosni Darjeeling tady v Plzni v kramecku
> v Perlove ulici. Tam to odlisuji pomerne dost striktne. Byl
> to Singbulli, prvni sklizen, a stal asi 260,- /100g.
> Popravde receno, za tu cenu nestal. Mam Singbulli FFTGFOP 1998,
> ten me stal polovinu a chutna lip. Kdyby mi nekdo dal ty dva
> na porovnani, asi bych ten novy povazoval za starsi. Je takovy
> jako vycichly nebo co. Ale muze to byt jen horsim skladovanim.
>
> Pavel

Pokud mohu soudit dle vzorku, letosni rok nedopadl pro nektere slavne
zahrady prave nejlepe. Tyka se to nejen SINGBULLI ale i mych oblibencu
BALASUN, POOBONG a mnoha jinych. NAMRING byl skvely, ale nepricetne drahy.

Jan

----- Original Message -----
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Ja jsem si koupil pred tydnem FF99 GOOMTEE v Dobry cajovne (byl pekne mastnej) a
chutna mi vyborne. Hlavne krasne voni, konecne vim co to je ta "kvetinova vune"
protoze si opravdu s trochou fantazie pripadam jak na rozkvetly louce :)

Jan Müller wrote:

> Caji zdar a krasne dny.
>
> Pri zpetnem cteni prispevku me zaujala debata o "letosnim" Darjeelingu
> (alespon vidite jak mizerny jsem clen konference, kdyz ctu prispevky jednou
> tydne). Cerstva sklizen, minimalne first flush (dale ff), by mela byt
> opravdu v nabidce snad kazde slusne cajovny. Je to jeden z vrcholu v roce
> cajovnika. Cekani na cerstvy sber je vzdy spojeno s velkym ocekavanim a jeho
> prichod oslavovan kazdodenim "zcajovanim se" po dobu nekolika tydnu. Patram
> v pameti po ff poslednich let (tzn. bez zaruky-papiry se mi hledat nechce),
> pokusim se o neuplny prehled poslednich 3 let. Razeni dle abecedy:
> FF99 BANNOCKBURN (Amana - AMA)
> FF99 GING (Amana - AMA)
> FF99 GOOMTEE (Spolek milcu caje - SMC)
> FF99 SINGBULLI (V.H.I.- bývalý CENTROCOM - jmeno zahrady neni uvadeno v
> ceniku, jde o ustni sdeleni, takze se omlouvam za pripadne omyly)
> FF98 NAMRING (SMC)
> FF98 SINGBULLI (AMA)
> FF98 SNOWVIEW (ted nevim zda V.H.I. ci pan Krivanek - RUZOVA CAJOVNA)
> FF97 NAGRI FARM (AMA)
> FF97 NAMRING (SMC)
> FF97 SNOWVIEW (snad pan Krivanek - RUZOVA CAJOVNA)
> a nepamatuji si zda, pripadne jaky caj privezla v roce 97 spolecnost V.H.I.
> Umyslne jsem vynechal second flush(dale sf), ne proto, ze bych jej pokladal
> za mene kvalitni, ale proste se nechci zamotat - nastane-li debata o sf,
> pokusim se o rekapitulaci i tam.
>
> Poznamka k:
>
> >Ja jsem si koupil letosni Darjeeling tady v Plzni v kramecku
> > v Perlove ulici. Tam to odlisuji pomerne dost striktne. Byl
> > to Singbulli, prvni sklizen, a stal asi 260,- /100g.
> > Popravde receno, za tu cenu nestal. Mam Singbulli FFTGFOP 1998,
> > ten me stal polovinu a chutna lip. Kdyby mi nekdo dal ty dva
> > na porovnani, asi bych ten novy povazoval za starsi. Je takovy
> > jako vycichly nebo co. Ale muze to byt jen horsim skladovanim.
> >
> > Pavel
>
> Pokud mohu soudit dle vzorku, letosni rok nedopadl pro nektere slavne
> zahrady prave nejlepe. Tyka se to nejen SINGBULLI ale i mych oblibencu
> BALASUN, POOBONG a mnoha jinych. NAMRING byl skvely, ale nepricetne drahy.
>
> Jan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pavel Baxa <baxa@kiv.zcu.cz>
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Ahoj Vsem

ted mi prislo neco noveho o TV poradu

omlouvam se za diakritiku

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Čajová kultura po česku              

Česká televize, studio Ostrava uvede 24.10. dokument o lidech, kterým učaroval
čajový rituál a všechno, co k němu patří. Představuje se v něm skupina mladých
lidí, navštěvujících čajovny nebo  oblíbená místa v přírodě, kteří se pokusí
divákům přiblížit filozofii a způsob svého života se všemi klady a zápory.
Jejich svět,  je v  pořadu zřetelně postaven do protikladu s obecně známým,
všedním a konzumním žitím většiny z nás. Názory těch, kteří čajové kultuře
propadli, pak doplňují postřehy osobností, např. muzikoterapeuta Vlastimila
Marka, spisovatelky Jany Arcimovičové, cestovatele Jaroslava Dobeše a sociologa
Jiřího Siostrzonka. V celém pořadu provázejí diváka rytmy bubnů a tance v podání
skupiny Wendy Zulu.

Premiéra: 	ČT 2,  neděle 24.10. v 20.00

Reprízy: 	ČT 2,  úterý 26.10. v 05.30
               	ČT 2,  středa 27.10. v 16.20



Petr Buchmaier

http://www.caje.cz

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From: Petr Novak <petrnon@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: Caj: Olomouc
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	Zdravim do Olomouce,

     asi to tak bude, i mně se to jiz nekolikrat v lete prihodio. U nas v
Nymburce jsem vetsinou navstivil cajovnu v odpolednich hodinach a povidali
jsme si jen s panem cajovnikem dokud jsem Senchu nedopil. V jistych
souvislostech to nekdy zase neni az tak nesympaticke. Ovsem jindy zase jsem
jen tezko hledal misto, proste hrala hudba a cajovna praskala ve svech.

		S pozdravem
				Petr

At 07:48 30.9.1999 +0100, you wrote:
>Vcera jsem byla a nas U bileho slona. Tam nebyl NIKDO. Jen ja a moje 
>nova konvicka, kterou jsem si vybrala pro syna. To je jako sen. Nebo 
>je jeste moc leto nebo cim to je? Jak je to jinde?
>Ja nevim, ale ja piju caj cely rok. SASA
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